Runner on wrong base at end of play - pics included

disposableheros · 06-01-2006, 08:47 PM

a little background - in-game managing, broadcast screen, quick sim AB

bases loaded, 1 out, hitter hits a liner to LF. the pBp says the runners on 2nd and 3rd score, the man on first goes to third, LF hits the cutoff man, who throws to 2nd, where the hitter is trying to stretch a single into a double. OUT!

so, i should have a man on third (who was on first) and 2 outs.

instead:

brookslag · 06-01-2006, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disposableheros

a little background - in-game managing, broadcast screen, quick sim AB

bases loaded, 1 out, hitter hits a liner to LF. runners on 2nd and 3rd score, LF hits the cutoff man, who throws to 2nd, where the hitter is trying to stretch a single into a double. OUT! so, i should have a man on third (who was on first) and 2 outs.

instead:

Likely a bug, but not necessarily. The runner didn't have to go to third. He wasn't forced at that point, so he could have very well gone back to second, even as the (perhaps stupid) batter was trying to go to 2nd. Perhaps the runner who ended up at second was actually surprised at the bonehead play the batter made by trying to go to 2nd, as he was actually just off 2nd base himself.

Is this scenario likely? Not really, but it is possible. So, it could actually just have been a "weird play".

MorseMoose · 06-01-2006, 09:29 PM

It is definitely a weird play...but he may have held up at second and the runner got caught trying to stretch it into a double and realized he was still standing on second. It sure happens in real life. Like brooks said, it is a bonehead play by the batter.

That is actually kinda cool whether this is intentional or not

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disposableheros · 06-01-2006, 09:34 PM

except thats not what it said in the pBp

disposableheros · 06-02-2006, 05:09 PM

SackAttack · 06-02-2006, 05:20 PM

I don't see anything in there saying that Phillipson went to third. Only that Ober scored and the play was made at "trailing runner."

It doesn't say WHICH trailing runner, and IIRC, what the system does is pull the most appropriate PBP tag for the play. Hutchinson may have passed Phillipson at second base, which is an automatic out. As somebody pointed out, he might have been gunning for two and forced to put the brakes on if Phillipson didn't advance past second base.

I wouldn't necessarily consider this a bug unless the PBP specifically said Phillipson was out, instead of the vague "throw made at trailing runner."

disposableheros · 06-02-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I don't see anything in there saying that Phillipson went to third. Only that Ober scored and the play was made at "trailing runner."

It doesn't say WHICH trailing runner, and IIRC, what the system does is pull the most appropriate PBP tag for the play. Hutchinson may have passed Phillipson at second base, which is an automatic out. As somebody pointed out, he might have been gunning for two and forced to put the brakes on if Phillipson didn't advance past second base.

I wouldn't necessarily consider this a bug unless the PBP specifically said Phillipson was out, instead of the vague "throw made at trailing runner."

the pBp did say that philipson went to third, which is the only reason why i went to the trouble of checking the game log, making screenshots, editing them, and posting them here.

lets assume you all are right and its not a game bug. ok, then its a pBp bug. happy?

SackAttack · 06-02-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by disposableheros

the pBp did say that philipson went to third, which is the only reason why i went to the trouble of checking the game log, making screenshots, editing them, and posting them here.

lets assume you all are right and its not a game bug. ok, then its a pBp bug. happy?

Then I'm guessing it's more useful if you post the part that *says* he went to third.

When I look at your screenshot, it says Ober went to third. It doesn't say a thing about Phillipson doing that.

disposableheros · 06-02-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Then I'm guessing it's more useful if you post the part that *says* he went to third.

When I look at your screenshot, it says Ober went to third. It doesn't say a thing about Phillipson doing that.

you are looking at the game log, not the pBp.

disposableheros · 06-02-2006, 05:42 PM

edited OP to clear up some confusion

MorseMoose · 06-02-2006, 05:47 PM

hmmmm

fauteuil7 · 06-02-2006, 05:58 PM

I've noticed this too although I don't have a screenshot or any other sort of evidence. I'll look for it and if it happens again I'll add Exhibit B. So I don't really know why I'm posting now apart from the fact that I really like typing.

disposableheros · 06-03-2006, 01:18 AM

a related bug:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=121082

disposableheros · 06-06-2006, 06:18 PM

9th page rescue

disposableheros · 07-03-2006, 07:03 PM

i dont see a TT and there isnt any kind of resolution i can find in the patch 2 thread, so just curious if this really is fixed or just got misplaced?

disposableheros · 07-05-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disposableheros

i dont see a TT and there isnt any kind of resolution i can find in the patch 2 thread, so just curious if this really is fixed or just got misplaced?

disposableheros · 07-06-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by disposableheros

06-01-2006, 08:47 PM	#1
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	Runner on wrong base at end of play - pics included a little background - in-game managing, broadcast screen, quick sim AB bases loaded, 1 out, hitter hits a liner to LF. the pBp says the runners on 2nd and 3rd score, the man on first goes to third, LF hits the cutoff man, who throws to 2nd, where the hitter is trying to stretch a single into a double. OUT! so, i should have a man on third (who was on first) and 2 outs. instead: __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517 Last edited by disposableheros; 01-21-2007 at 02:21 PM.

06-01-2006, 09:34 PM	#4
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06-02-2006, 05:09 PM	#5
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06-02-2006, 05:42 PM	#10
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	edited OP to clear up some confusion __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517 Last edited by disposableheros; 06-02-2006 at 05:45 PM.

06-03-2006, 01:18 AM	#13
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	a related bug: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=121082 __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517

06-01-2006, 09:29 PM	#3
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	It is definitely a weird play...but he may have held up at second and the runner got caught trying to stretch it into a double and realized he was still standing on second. It sure happens in real life. Like brooks said, it is a bonehead play by the batter. That is actually kinda cool whether this is intentional or not .

06-02-2006, 05:20 PM	#6
SackAttack All Star Starter Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,104	I don't see anything in there saying that Phillipson went to third. Only that Ober scored and the play was made at "trailing runner." It doesn't say WHICH trailing runner, and IIRC, what the system does is pull the most appropriate PBP tag for the play. Hutchinson may have passed Phillipson at second base, which is an automatic out. As somebody pointed out, he might have been gunning for two and forced to put the brakes on if Phillipson didn't advance past second base. I wouldn't necessarily consider this a bug unless the PBP specifically said Phillipson was out, instead of the vague "throw made at trailing runner."

06-02-2006, 05:47 PM	#11
MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	hmmmm

06-02-2006, 05:58 PM	#12
fauteuil7 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 356	I've noticed this too although I don't have a screenshot or any other sort of evidence. I'll look for it and if it happens again I'll add Exhibit B. So I don't really know why I'm posting now apart from the fact that I really like typing.

06-06-2006, 06:18 PM	#14
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	9th page rescue __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517

07-03-2006, 07:03 PM	#15
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	i dont see a TT and there isnt any kind of resolution i can find in the patch 2 thread, so just curious if this really is fixed or just got misplaced? __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517 Last edited by disposableheros; 07-03-2006 at 07:06 PM.