Problem with Saves?

Marlinfan · 06-02-2006, 12:26 PM

Since when does an 7-2 ball game constitute as a save?

I thought it was only a max 3 run difference when a pitcher enters a game.

I switched pitchers in the bottom of the 7th, as you'll see I scored a run in the top of the 7th to go 7-2 up, my pitcher then pitched the bottom of the 7th, 8th & 9th and ended up with a save

I went on to win 8-2 but the game was 7-2 when the pitcher entered the game, surely he shouldn't have been classed with the save as it wasn't a save opportunity in my understanding of baseball, I may be wrong though.

White Sox · 06-02-2006, 12:50 PM

RULE 10.20 Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:
1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and
2) He is not the winning pitcher; and
3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:
a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for atleast one inning; or
b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or
c) He pitches effectively for atleast three innings.

Marlinfan · 06-02-2006, 01:09 PM

Ah, thank you for that.

Zeyes · 06-12-2006, 04:19 PM

There does seem to be a bit of a problem with these non-standard saves.

The rookie of the year in a recent season happened to be a reliever, and the news of his award included something like "he earned 1 save in no opportunities".

Turns out that it was a three-inning save that apparently didn't get credited as a SVO.

I'll profess a high degree of ignorance on the intricacies of the Save statistic, but even if a reliever comes into a situation that can't result in a blown save or a hold to be credited (e.g. 6-2 lead, none on), in case he turns it into a successful 3+ inning save, that should still be a SVO, right?

(This was post-patch.)

battists · 07-04-2006, 12:23 AM

This has been logged as TT #2049.

Thanks!

Steve

battists · 07-13-2006, 10:35 AM

This has been claimed fixed in the next patch.

Thanks,

Steve

battists · 08-02-2006, 09:13 PM

This fix has been verified in the latest version of the game.

Steve

06-02-2006, 12:26 PM	#1
Marlinfan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 110	Problem with Saves? Since when does an 7-2 ball game constitute as a save? I thought it was only a max 3 run difference when a pitcher enters a game. I switched pitchers in the bottom of the 7th, as you'll see I scored a run in the top of the 7th to go 7-2 up, my pitcher then pitched the bottom of the 7th, 8th & 9th and ended up with a save I went on to win 8-2 but the game was 7-2 when the pitcher entered the game, surely he shouldn't have been classed with the save as it wasn't a save opportunity in my understanding of baseball, I may be wrong though.

06-12-2006, 04:19 PM	#4
Zeyes All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 818	There does seem to be a bit of a problem with these non-standard saves. The rookie of the year in a recent season happened to be a reliever, and the news of his award included something like "he earned 1 save in no opportunities". Turns out that it was a three-inning save that apparently didn't get credited as a SVO. I'll profess a high degree of ignorance on the intricacies of the Save statistic, but even if a reliever comes into a situation that can't result in a blown save or a hold to be credited (e.g. 6-2 lead, none on), in case he turns it into a successful 3+ inning save, that should still be a SVO, right? (This was post-patch.) Last edited by Zeyes; 06-12-2006 at 04:23 PM.

06-02-2006, 12:50 PM	#2
White Sox All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 583	RULE 10.20 Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions: 1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and 2) He is not the winning pitcher; and 3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions: a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for atleast one inning; or b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or c) He pitches effectively for atleast three innings. __________________ "Pitching, Defense, and the Three-Run Homer."

06-02-2006, 01:09 PM	#3
Marlinfan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 110	Ah, thank you for that.

07-04-2006, 12:23 AM	#5
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	This has been logged as TT #2049. Thanks! Steve

07-13-2006, 10:35 AM	#6
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	This has been claimed fixed in the next patch. Thanks, Steve

08-02-2006, 09:13 PM	#7
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 7	This fix has been verified in the latest version of the game. Steve