Batting average>OBP

orwell · 06-23-2006, 11:32 PM

I see this when playing games out. So far, I've only seen it in bases-loaded situations under opponent batting stats for the pitcher. Right now I'm looking at a pitcher who is listed as having an OBA of .417 with the bases loaded and an opponent OBP of .375. As a mere English major, I readily confess I have single-A math skills at best, but I can't think of one possible scenario in which a BA could be higher than an OBP. Equal - possible, but not higher.

Thanks for reviewing.

StyxNCa · 06-23-2006, 11:43 PM

I have seen this as well. I think I remember reading something, possibly in these forums, about a situation that could result in such an odd thing. To me, however, it seems a bit illogical. Hopefully someone will know if this is a glitch or some weird situation.

swampdragon · 06-23-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by orwell

I see this when playing games out. So far, I've only seen it in bases-loaded situations under opponent batting stats for the pitcher. Right now I'm looking at a pitcher who is listed as having an OBA of .417 with the bases loaded and an opponent OBP of .375. As a mere English major, I readily confess I have single-A math skills at best, but I can't think of one possible scenario in which a BA could be higher than an OBP. Equal - possible, but not higher.

Thanks for reviewing.

Sacrifice flies.

StyxNCa · 06-23-2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Sacrifice flies.

Sac flies aren't counted as at bats are they? How would they effect either BA or OBP? Just asking since I'm trying to find out, not being snotty.

swampdragon · 06-23-2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Sac flies aren't counted as at bats are they? How would they effect either BA or OBP? Just asking since I'm trying to find out, not being snotty.

They don't affect batting average. They do affect OBP, which is calculated on plate appearances rather than at bats.

In this case, a .412 OBA is likely 5/12, and a .375 OOBP would be 6/16. Five hits, one walk, and three sac flies in 16 plate appearances.

orwell · 06-24-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

Sacrifice flies.

Because SF's count as a plate appearance but not an AB, eh? Therefore lowering OBP but not AVG. I checked and this guy had 16 total plate appearances and 3 SFs. 12 ABs and five hits, one walk. So a BA of .417 and an OPB of .375 - it works, no bug.

That makes sense. Adam Dunn would never have to worry about this problem.

Thanks for the explanation - I should have realized that. I guess with more and more times to the plate, the odds of this happening would be much less.

StyxNCa · 06-24-2006, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

They don't affect batting average. They do affect OBP, which is calculated on plate appearances rather than at bats.

In this case, a .412 OBA is likely 5/12, and a .375 OOBP would be 6/16. Five hits, one walk, and three sac flies in 16 plate appearances.

OHHHHHHH Ok! That's what I read before. Thanks for explaining!

swampdragon · 06-24-2006, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by orwell

Because SF's count as a plate appearance but not an AB, eh? Therefore lowering OBP but not AVG. I checked and this guy had 16 total plate appearances and 3 SFs. 12 ABs and five hits, one walk. So a BA of .417 and an OPB of .375 - it works, no bug.

That makes sense. Adam Dunn would never have to worry about this problem.

Thanks for the explanation - I should have realized that. I guess with more and more times to the plate, the odds of this happening would be much less.

I think the only time you're ever to likely to see it is bases loaded situational stats, which raise the probability of a sac fly simply because there's always a runner on 3rd.

jbsnadb · 06-24-2006, 02:52 AM

Have you played out many games?

The AI tends to move up runners like there's no tomorrow!

swampdragon · 06-24-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jbsnadb

Have you played out many games?

The AI tends to move up runners like there's no tomorrow!

I play out too many games. That's why I'm still in April, 1871.

Faroo6 · 06-24-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by swampdragon

I think the only time you're ever to likely to see it is bases loaded situational stats, which raise the probability of a sac fly simply because there's always a runner on 3rd.

Soriano actually had his season stats reflect this through most of one season. A player that doesn't walk often has a higher probability of this.

Raidergoo · 07-01-2006, 03:10 PM

Requesting lock.

06-23-2006, 11:32 PM	#1
orwell Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ft. Worth, TX Posts: 472	Batting average>OBP I see this when playing games out. So far, I've only seen it in bases-loaded situations under opponent batting stats for the pitcher. Right now I'm looking at a pitcher who is listed as having an OBA of .417 with the bases loaded and an opponent OBP of .375. As a mere English major, I readily confess I have single-A math skills at best, but I can't think of one possible scenario in which a BA could be higher than an OBP. Equal - possible, but not higher. Thanks for reviewing. __________________ "Who will scout the scouts?"

06-24-2006, 02:52 AM	#9
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	Have you played out many games? The AI tends to move up runners like there's no tomorrow! __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice."

06-23-2006, 11:43 PM	#2
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	I have seen this as well. I think I remember reading something, possibly in these forums, about a situation that could result in such an odd thing. To me, however, it seems a bit illogical. Hopefully someone will know if this is a glitch or some weird situation.

07-01-2006, 03:10 PM	#12
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Requesting lock.