Brett Favre: The NFL's Barry Bonds?

PotatoPeeler · 01-02-2009, 01:48 PM

Judging by this report, it certainly seems that way.

FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Piling on: Jets teammates unhappy with Favre

Long_Long_Name · 01-02-2009, 02:21 PM

It's weird, more than one person in there is pissed at Brett Favre because he wasn't benched. Well, hey, the one responsible for that has already been fired, it's not Favre's fault if he wasn't removed from the game.

Pommpie · 01-02-2009, 02:48 PM

I'd argue against that comparison, because Barry Bonds was a superior offensive player until the end of his career and didn't ground into a double play three times per game. :P

yankeesrule · 01-03-2009, 12:25 AM

comparison is no where close. favre mostly seemed to be liked by his teammates in green bay. bonds has almost never been liked by his teammates.

BaseballMan · 01-03-2009, 12:34 AM

Thomas Jones is an idiot. Your gonna bench Farve for who? They didnt bring in Farve to sit on the bench. Even if he was playing bad, there a better chance of Farve getting hot than his backup. Funny Jones never said anything about benching himself.

molarmite · 01-03-2009, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Thomas Jones is an idiot. Your gonna bench Farve for who? They didnt bring in Farve to sit on the bench. Even if he was playing bad, there a better chance of Farve getting hot than his backup. Funny Jones never said anything about benching himself.

Jones said if he fumbled twice, he'd expect to be benched and wanted Favre to be treated the same.

rudel.dietrich · 01-03-2009, 03:03 AM

Please do not insult Barry Bonds like that

jbergey22 · 01-03-2009, 03:13 AM

Wow in one year he goes from being an idolized figure in sports to being compared to Barry Bonds.

I wouldnt say Ive agreed with all of Favres decisions this past year but I also cant say that he has done anything wrong.

He retired then decided he wanted to play again. Boxers do it all the time and (I realize its a bad comparison after everything that happened afterwards) Clemens did this for years and not much was said.

He got himself out of Green Bay(seemed like a mutual decision to me)

The rumors of espianage which Favre denies.(Im thinking this didnt really happen as how it was reported)

And now these latest things. None of which compare to Bonds all about me attitude, public lying and refusal to cooperate with anyone personality.

In my opinion people are trying too hard to ruin the image of another legend. Anyone can argue with how good of a quarterback he really was but its hard to deny that he was a warrior on the football field.

Prodigal Son · 01-03-2009, 03:26 AM

So the Jets have bad QB play last season, bring in Favre who, despite being 102 years old and having a bad year by his standards, still did better than the Jets' QB's a year ago; the Jets more than double their win total from a year ago, and now THOMAS FRIGGEN' JONES is blaming not being a better team on Brett Favre?

This is the part where your head explodes.

I have no dog in this fight. I'm a KC fan and am apathetic about Favre. But really, nine wins is a pretty good year coming off a 4-win season, and it's not Favre's fault they aren't better. Oh yeah, and it's Thomas Jones.

rudel.dietrich · 01-03-2009, 03:31 AM

My biggest problem with Farve is that he waits so damn late into the summer to decide to come back. If my memory is correct Clemens by the opening of ST has pretty much decided he wants to play and then gets himself ready for a may/june return

Boxers can retire/unretire as much as they like since it is not a team sport. When you play a team sport you sort of have to keep the team in mind when making decisions like this.

BaseballMan · 01-03-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

Jones said if he fumbled twice, he'd expect to be benched and wanted Favre to be treated the same.

Sure he would.

Prodigal Son · 01-03-2009, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

Jones said if he fumbled twice, he'd expect to be benched and wanted Favre to be treated the same.

Even the best QB's throw over 5 INT's per year, but more than 5 fumbles for a RB is unacceptable. I don't think Jones is very smart. Favre could respond by saying that if he ever averaged under five yards per attempt, he'd expect to be out of the NFL.

Cooleyvol · 01-03-2009, 06:29 AM

No comparison.

Favre is experiencing a two fold issue here.

1. Increased media exposure. In NY, he's most certainly under more scrutiny.

2. New teammates who do not 'know' Brett.

I think, rather than being aloof, you could say that Brett is of a different generation than most of his teammates. Why would a 40 year old want to 'hang out' with those in their early 20s most of the time?

He has a family. He wants to be with that family when he's off work, just as most of us do.

These guys don't know this about Brett and in Green Bay, I'm sure the same was true, but everyone (who'd been there any time at all) knew this and it was an accepted fact of life. Being in New York, not only is it bigger news (and pushed to the forefront), but teammates are much more likely to say something about it given their location and familiarity with Favre.

Cryomaniac · 01-03-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Thomas Jones is an idiot. Your gonna bench Farve for who?

Kellen Clemens or Brad Smith

bborello · 01-03-2009, 11:31 AM

I see know comparison between Bonds and Favre I am in the minority of people who see Favre as at best an above average QB. He has been media hyped for years.

Dargone · 01-04-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

No comparison.

Favre is experiencing a two fold issue here.

1. Increased media exposure. In NY, he's most certainly under more scrutiny.

2. New teammates who do not 'know' Brett.

I think, rather than being aloof, you could say that Brett is of a different generation than most of his teammates. Why would a 40 year old want to 'hang out' with those in their early 20s most of the time?

He has a family. He wants to be with that family when he's off work, just as most of us do.

These guys don't know this about Brett and in Green Bay, I'm sure the same was true, but everyone (who'd been there any time at all) knew this and it was an accepted fact of life. Being in New York, not only is it bigger news (and pushed to the forefront), but teammates are much more likely to say something about it given their location and familiarity with Favre.

Yeah, I can get on board with this. It's a shame that his legacy may be "tarnished" because of this.

Dargone · 01-04-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

My biggest problem with Farve is that he waits so damn late into the summer to decide to come back. If my memory is correct Clemens by the opening of ST has pretty much decided he wants to play and then gets himself ready for a may/june return

Boxers can retire/unretire as much as they like since it is not a team sport. When you play a team sport you sort of have to keep the team in mind when making decisions like this.

I think it's an insult to Favre. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Barry Bonds is the best player of my generation (steroids or no) but form all indication a world class a$$hat and cancer in the clubhouse. Brett Favre has never shown me that he's even close to Barry in that department. YMMV...

BaseballMan · 01-04-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bborello

I see know comparison between Bonds and Favre I am in the minority of people who see Favre as at best an above average QB. He has been media hyped for years.

Thats a little far fetch. You cant put up his numbers being just an above average qb. If he was just an above average qb he would have lost his starting job a long time ago. Yeah Farve takes a little more chance but he was never a Bart Starr type qb. Telling Farve to qb like say Troy Aikman is like telling Marshall Faulk to play like Jim Brown.

Left-handed Badger · 01-06-2009, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

My biggest problem with Farve is that he waits so damn late into the summer to decide to come back. If my memory is correct Clemens by the opening of ST has pretty much decided he wants to play and then gets himself ready for a may/june return

Boxers can retire/unretire as much as they like since it is not a team sport. When you play a team sport you sort of have to keep the team in mind when making decisions like this.

That was my main beef, too. I actually liked Favre as a player, until this year. And I really aint even complaining about him changing his mind really. But, he waited so blasted long, and really put Green Bay in a pickle. The way he went about this decision was pretty callous and classless in my opinion. And I lost quite a bit of respect for him.

Left-handed Badger · 01-06-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

No comparison.

Favre is experiencing a two fold issue here.

1. Increased media exposure. In NY, he's most certainly under more scrutiny.

2. New teammates who do not 'know' Brett.

I think, rather than being aloof, you could say that Brett is of a different generation than most of his teammates. Why would a 40 year old want to 'hang out' with those in their early 20s most of the time?

He has a family. He wants to be with that family when he's off work, just as most of us do.

These guys don't know this about Brett and in Green Bay, I'm sure the same was true, but everyone (who'd been there any time at all) knew this and it was an accepted fact of life. Being in New York, not only is it bigger news (and pushed to the forefront), but teammates are much more likely to say something about it given their location and familiarity with Favre.

Ehh, it has to be more than being "aloof". I'd expect someone with a family would be spending more time with their families. That is common sense.

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Pommpie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 58	I'd argue against that comparison, because Barry Bonds was a superior offensive player until the end of his career and didn't ground into a double play three times per game. :P

01-03-2009, 12:25 AM	#4
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	comparison is no where close. favre mostly seemed to be liked by his teammates in green bay. bonds has almost never been liked by his teammates.

01-03-2009, 12:34 AM	#5
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,504	Thomas Jones is an idiot. Your gonna bench Farve for who? They didnt bring in Farve to sit on the bench. Even if he was playing bad, there a better chance of Farve getting hot than his backup. Funny Jones never said anything about benching himself.

01-03-2009, 03:03 AM	#7
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Please do not insult Barry Bonds like that

01-03-2009, 03:13 AM	#8
jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	Wow in one year he goes from being an idolized figure in sports to being compared to Barry Bonds. I wouldnt say Ive agreed with all of Favres decisions this past year but I also cant say that he has done anything wrong. He retired then decided he wanted to play again. Boxers do it all the time and (I realize its a bad comparison after everything that happened afterwards) Clemens did this for years and not much was said. He got himself out of Green Bay(seemed like a mutual decision to me) The rumors of espianage which Favre denies.(Im thinking this didnt really happen as how it was reported) And now these latest things. None of which compare to Bonds all about me attitude, public lying and refusal to cooperate with anyone personality. In my opinion people are trying too hard to ruin the image of another legend. Anyone can argue with how good of a quarterback he really was but its hard to deny that he was a warrior on the football field.

01-03-2009, 03:26 AM	#9
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	So the Jets have bad QB play last season, bring in Favre who, despite being 102 years old and having a bad year by his standards, still did better than the Jets' QB's a year ago; the Jets more than double their win total from a year ago, and now THOMAS FRIGGEN' JONES is blaming not being a better team on Brett Favre? This is the part where your head explodes. I have no dog in this fight. I'm a KC fan and am apathetic about Favre. But really, nine wins is a pretty good year coming off a 4-win season, and it's not Favre's fault they aren't better. Oh yeah, and it's Thomas Jones.

01-03-2009, 03:31 AM	#10
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	My biggest problem with Farve is that he waits so damn late into the summer to decide to come back. If my memory is correct Clemens by the opening of ST has pretty much decided he wants to play and then gets himself ready for a may/june return Boxers can retire/unretire as much as they like since it is not a team sport. When you play a team sport you sort of have to keep the team in mind when making decisions like this.

01-03-2009, 06:29 AM	#13
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	No comparison. Favre is experiencing a two fold issue here. 1. Increased media exposure. In NY, he's most certainly under more scrutiny. 2. New teammates who do not 'know' Brett. I think, rather than being aloof, you could say that Brett is of a different generation than most of his teammates. Why would a 40 year old want to 'hang out' with those in their early 20s most of the time? He has a family. He wants to be with that family when he's off work, just as most of us do. These guys don't know this about Brett and in Green Bay, I'm sure the same was true, but everyone (who'd been there any time at all) knew this and it was an accepted fact of life. Being in New York, not only is it bigger news (and pushed to the forefront), but teammates are much more likely to say something about it given their location and familiarity with Favre.

01-03-2009, 11:31 AM	#15
bborello Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ocean City Md Posts: 41	I see know comparison between Bonds and Favre I am in the minority of people who see Favre as at best an above average QB. He has been media hyped for years.