Is there a way to see all players that retired in a given year?

[Sparrow]

I have a league that is just starting 2009 and originated in 1871. I want to go through and induct hall of famers, but I'd like a list of what players retired in a given year, so I know which stats to asses his career against.

So, is there a way to get a list of all players who retired in 1931 for example.

Thanks

[Déjà Bru]

Bump, because I would be interested in this as well.

[Déjà Bru]

Dola, you know it's too bad because I just took a look at it and from the way it appears, I don't think retirement year is a field that is recorded in retired.dat. Too bad in the sense that if it were, it could be easily included in the General data options to choose from when building a Customized View for the Retired Players screen in League History. If that could be displayed, then the screen could be opened as a report in the external browser, saved as HTML, imported into Excel, and sorted by retirement year.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

I have a league that is just starting 2009 and originated in 1871. I want to go through and induct hall of famers, but I'd like a list of what players retired in a given year, so I know which stats to asses his career against.

So, is there a way to get a list of all players who retired in 1931 for example.

Thanks

Players retire at basically two days during the season (with a caveat I'll mention later).

January 1st every season is the only day where any player that is a free agent will retire.

The first day of the "offseason" stage (the day after the playoffs complete) is the only day when any player that is on a team will retire.

The caveat I mentioned previously is that players who are on minor league teams will retire the first day after that minor league level playoff is finished, which normally does not matter for hall of fame consideration, but it is possible with OOTP logic that a future Hall of Famer ends up getting stuffed in the minors for his final season by the AI when his ratings fall, so you want to keep an eye out for that as well.


So with that said, you just need to go through your almanac and look at those dates each season to see which players retired that season.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

I have a league that is just starting 2009 and originated in 1871. I want to go through and induct hall of famers, but I'd like a list of what players retired in a given year, so I know which stats to asses his career against.

So, is there a way to get a list of all players who retired in 1931 for example.

Thanks

Have you had the "Retire According To History" box checked for the duration of this sim? If you have you can go to Baseball-Reference.com (what a site) and look up each year individually. There is a page called "Leagues", which lists league pages for every year back to 1871. Go there and look up the individual year you're interested in. When you get to that year's league page with team statistics and standings, you'll notice a bunch of grey boxes just above the bolded Team Statistics and Standings: like Standings, Fielding, Batting, Pitching, Leaders&Awards, Other, and Minor Leagues. Move your mouse over the "Other" box and you'll see the following options: "Attendance & Misc.", "New Debuts", "Retirements", "Born This Year", "Died This Year", "Transactions", and "Amateur Draft". Click on "Retirements" and you're set. Don't forget that since it's divided into hitters and pitchers, most pitchers will be in both lists, but not all, so you need to do a quick check of the pitchers list, just to make sure none have eluded your grasp. You could also look up the individual in question on BB-Ref and it'll tell you his retirement date. Hope this helps.

EDIT: Of course, there is also a chance that players have suffered career ending injuries, in which case all bets are off. As well, if this is a fictional league, all bets are off and you're on your own.

[Sparrow]

Thanks for the replies.

I did not have players retire according to history.

And OFG gave me the low down on the retirement dates (I think you have to look out for CEI's still) however, in my almanacs, for whatever reason, only stored the transactions the day after the playoffs end. This nets me one of the major retirement dates, but not Jan. 1st, minor league retirees, or CEI's. Plus I don't have almanacs from 1980 through 2008. They started to take a very long time to archive, and I was anxious to get to present day.

I suppose when going through the league year by year, the players who deserve induction will jump out enough where I will be okay and should get high accuracy. I wanted, though to be able to have hall of fame candidates every year, that reflected all players who retired 5 years prior, and having this stored as a list somewhere would've simplified this.

Pen, paper, and patience should do the trick if there is no short cut, which I'm gaining confidence there isn't.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

Thanks for the replies.

I did not have players retire according to history.

And OFG gave me the low down on the retirement dates (I think you have to look out for CEI's still) however, in my almanacs, for whatever reason, only stored the transactions the day after the playoffs end. This nets me one of the major retirement dates, but not Jan. 1st, minor league retirees, or CEI's. Plus I don't have almanacs from 1980 through 2008. They started to take a very long time to archive, and I was anxious to get to present day.

I suppose when going through the league year by year, the players who deserve induction will jump out enough where I will be okay and should get high accuracy. I wanted, though to be able to have hall of fame candidates every year, that reflected all players who retired 5 years prior, and having this stored as a list somewhere would've simplified this.

Pen, paper, and patience should do the trick if there is no short cut, which I'm gaining confidence there isn't.

The sortable columns in the retired players list really come in handy here. That way, you can skip over the Buddy Biancalanas of the world. Each page contains 35 players, so probably if a player's not on the first 5 or 7 pages in the stat you're looking at, he's not "hall-worthy" in that particular category. Have fun.

[Sparrow]

I know what you mean but the problem is some of those stats are very dominated by modern day players. One of the main reasons I generated almanacs is so I can see how a guy who retired in 1920 held up compared with achievements to that date. Otherwise I think the hall would be too dominated by modern players, and poorly represented by the earlier players.

[actionjackson]

Yeah, then again Wins, ERA etc are dominated by the pitchers from "back in the day" when men were men. VORP can help you somewhat with pulling out that 1% or so that belong. Here's hoping Markus gives us total player type stats like WAR in v XI, along with of course some better defensive metrics to aid in the calculation. It would be nice to have this type of metric to help give recognition to the Brooks Robinson/Ozzie Smith/Keith Hernandez types whose offense may not be quite good enough, but whose offense plus defense puts them over the top. Something to think about and hope for anyway.

[Alan T]

I don't know how much effort you want to put into this, but if you are talking about manually doing a bunch of this tracking, then it sounds like effort is not a huge concern to you.

Some mods that are available such as STATSLAB can help you by providing a Hall of Fame interface where you can specifically say you only want to consider people who have been retired at least X number of years, or no more than X number of years in it.

Statslab is primarily used for multiplayer leagues though and requires you run a mysql database and php capable web server to use it though. I do not know if that is too much for what you want to do for your solo league though.

[OldFatGuy]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

Thanks for the replies.

I did not have players retire according to history.

And OFG gave me the low down on the retirement dates (I think you have to look out for CEI's still) however, in my almanacs, for whatever reason, only stored the transactions the day after the playoffs end. This nets me one of the major retirement dates, but not Jan. 1st, minor league retirees, or CEI's. Plus I don't have almanacs from 1980 through 2008. They started to take a very long time to archive, and I was anxious to get to present day.

I suppose when going through the league year by year, the players who deserve induction will jump out enough where I will be okay and should get high accuracy. I wanted, though to be able to have hall of fame candidates every year, that reflected all players who retired 5 years prior, and having this stored as a list somewhere would've simplified this.

Pen, paper, and patience should do the trick if there is no short cut, which I'm gaining confidence there isn't.

CEI's retire the first day of the offseason. When a player suffers a CEI, the team he is on releases him the next day (and if it's one of your players you should too because it's a "free" release. Meaning if the player had 3 years left on the contract, you can release him free after a CEI). He shows up in the free agent pool until the end of the season, and then on the first day of the off-season, his name appears on the All Transactions screen along with all the other retirees that day.

At least that's how it is in 8. Haven't yet gone through an offseason in X yet, still toying with it.

[OldFatGuy]

Dola,

Plus, even though you sometimes get news messages where a player says he's hanging it up, he still doesn't actually retire until the end, on the first day of the off-season. So, if you read the All-Transactions page on the first day of the off-season, and on January 1st, you will see all retirees. Again, at least it's this way in 8.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Dola,

Plus, even though you sometimes get news messages where a player says he's hanging it up, he still doesn't actually retire until the end, on the first day of the off-season. So, if you read the All-Transactions page on the first day of the off-season, and on January 1st, you will see all retirees. Again, at least it's this way in 8.

Yep, as I mentioned above, it is still the same in X

Originally Posted by Alan T

Players retire at basically two days during the season (with a caveat I'll mention later).

January 1st every season is the only day where any player that is a free agent will retire.

The first day of the "offseason" stage (the day after the playoffs complete) is the only day when any player that is on a team will retire.

The caveat I mentioned previously is that players who are on minor league teams will retire the first day after that minor league level playoff is finished, which normally does not matter for hall of fame consideration, but it is possible with OOTP logic that a future Hall of Famer ends up getting stuffed in the minors for his final season by the AI when his ratings fall, so you want to keep an eye out for that as well.


So with that said, you just need to go through your almanac and look at those dates each season to see which players retired that season.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I don't know how much effort you want to put into this, but if you are talking about manually doing a bunch of this tracking, then it sounds like effort is not a huge concern to you.

Some mods that are available such as STATSLAB can help you by providing a Hall of Fame interface where you can specifically say you only want to consider people who have been retired at least X number of years, or no more than X number of years in it.

Statslab is primarily used for multiplayer leagues though and requires you run a mysql database and php capable web server to use it though. I do not know if that is too much for what you want to do for your solo league though.

There's also tysok's Win Shares program, but only if you have Microsoft Access, which I dumped in favour of Open Office, which doesn't allow you to see half of an Access file.

[Sparrow]

Thanks again to everyone for chipping in. It's nice to know when the CEI's get reported in the transactions as well, and that that is 1-1. I do think it would be a nice, small feature to have this stored in a database somewhere. That said, as I'm going through the stars, year by year, it shouldn't be too hard to pull out the few from any year who may merit consideration, and opening up their profile page and seeing when they retired. mysql database and php web capable server is a bit over my head, and the immersion of going through each year will be fun. And from present on, I will keep a database of players who retire, or at least notable ones, by montoring the transaction page.

PS. What does it mean when you start a post with dola? Is it when you post twice in a row?

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

PS. What does it mean when you start a post with dola? Is it when you post twice in a row?

In this persona, I kept a link to a thread that explained the history of "Dola" for this very opportunity, and when it finally happens, it's no longer in my subscriptions!

Yes, that is what "dola" signifies; it's meant as a courtesy apology for posting one after another. It was named after some guy named Dolamite or Dolansky or something who apparently did so habitually, stringing many posts together which could have been combined in one, in order to build up his post count.

[1998 Yankees]

Dola, the old avatar looks good, doesn't she?

- Déjà Bru