How accurate is injuries?

Staples11 · 09-20-2011, 12:13 AM

Is there anyway to tell how many injuries the entire league has? I'm talking minors and majors combined, without having to go through and count each team individually.

I'm in a modern day online league and our league date is June 4th. 11 guys that were on my 25 man opening roster are currently on the DL. I've since had an additional 3 or 4 go on the DL and come off.

Is this really bad luck or realistic?

BTW our league settings are set to normal.

Chicagofan76 · 09-20-2011, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Staples11

Is there anyway to tell how many injuries the entire league has? I'm talking minors and majors combined, without having to go through and count each team individually.

I'm in a modern day online league and our league date is June 4th. 11 guys that were on my 25 man opening roster are currently on the DL. I've since had an additional 3 or 4 go on the DL and come off.

Is this really bad luck or realistic?

BTW our league settings are set to normal.

in my 1999 season I had 12 guys on the DL of 35 players on the DL at the same time, this season I have 3 1 of which is a player I signed.

Poweshow · 09-20-2011, 02:43 AM

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Chicagofan76 · 09-20-2011, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Poweshow

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Really? Seriously? You are just gonna get on here just to make a comment about are vs is? Really?

Markus Heinsohn · 09-20-2011, 06:15 AM

Injuries on the default setting are in fact a bit LOWER than in real life! The problem with injuries is real life perception. There are usually over 1000+ injuries per MLB season in real life, but many of them do not get properly reported so you don't really know they happened, which is different from OOTP obviously.

Cryomaniac · 09-20-2011, 06:38 AM

I think the problem a lot of people have with injuries isn't the overall amount, but the distribution by position and length.

Markus Heinsohn · 09-20-2011, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I think the problem a lot of people have with injuries isn't the overall amount, but the distribution by position and length.

The distribution & length matches our real life data properly as well.

Cryomaniac · 09-20-2011, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

The distribution & length matches our real life data properly as well.

Fair enough.

PhillieFever · 09-20-2011, 07:46 AM

These are the Phillies injuries for 2011, as you can see they're quite extensive.

boshk · 09-20-2011, 11:12 AM

i think half the twins starters are on the DL this year too... and morneau probably wont play again, ever

Big T · 09-20-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillieFever

These are the Phillies injuries for 2011, as you can see they're quite extensive.

What would you know about the Phillies ?

Chicagofan76 · 09-20-2011, 03:13 PM

My only issues with injuries is that if you have incomplete minors, it seems the majors get hit harder with injuries.
My 1999 White Sox with full accurate minors (as of 2011) had approx 27 players injured anything from day-to-day to 7 months. 90% of those were players on my 25 man roster since i only had 7 players not on the 25 man roster.
My 2000 White Sox until recently seemed to stay injury free.
I have had approx 11 injuries so far. Mostly day-to-day. Aaron Myette has been out since last season. (AAA) I just lost Magglio Ordonez (6 weeks) and Hideo Nomo (3 months) within 4 days of each other and Frank Thomas got hurt with a 5 day-to-day injury the same game Nomo got injured. I have approx 51 players in my system.
With many of my online leagues the injuries seem to hit the minors harder then it hits my major league roster. I have full set of players. Whereas like I said my solo league that doesn't have a full set of players get hit harder at the ML level vs minors.

Toado · 09-20-2011, 03:22 PM

I would suggest you target mostly "durable" players if you're getting really fed up by injuries.

I've been doing that for the last several versions and generally only have a handful of injuries per season. They tend to be my guys who have a "normal" injury history, too.

I don't even touch fragile players, unless they look like a huge steal in the draft... then I trade them for a durable prospect a year later.

Chicagofan76 · 09-20-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Toado

I would suggest you target mostly "durable" players if you're getting really fed up by injuries.

I've been doing that for the last several versions and generally only have a handful of injuries per season. They tend to be my guys who have a "normal" injury history, too.

I don't even touch fragile players, unless they look like a huge steal in the draft... then I trade them for a durable prospect a year later.

Who was this directed towards? Using Spritz real debut all players DB all players or most are listed as Fragile. Thomas, Durham, Ordonez, Nomo, even Buehrle who has 1 DL stint in 10 sns.

J P Falcon the 3rd · 09-20-2011, 07:26 PM

I guess then the question one must ask is what type of calculation is done to differentiate whether a player is durable, normal, fragile, or the rather humorously labeled "wrecked"!

snepp · 09-20-2011, 07:40 PM

The descriptive words are just a general overall representation of the four injury proneness numeric values. If you're really curious you could edit a player and test out various combinations of injury proneness to see where the cutoffs are.

falkonisback · 09-20-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

in my 1999 season I had 12 guys on the DL of 35 players on the DL at the same time, this season I have 3 1 of which is a player I signed.

Chicagofan, in your defense, the only grammatical error in your statement is that you missed a comma after 3 as in "this season I have 3, 1 of which is a player I signed". The 'is' is absolutely correct and should not be 'are'.

Never mind, I though he was making the correction towards you but I just noticed the subject of this thread...lmao, yeah, that was kinda annoying, wasn't it?

awick · 09-20-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by J P Falcon the 3rd

I guess then the question one must ask is what type of calculation is done to differentiate whether a player is durable, normal, fragile, or the rather humorously labeled "wrecked"!

FWIW, I've got a guy with a 5th category. He's listed as "iron man".

Jeffy25 · 09-20-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Staples11

Is there anyway to tell how many injuries the entire league has? I'm talking minors and majors combined, without having to go through and count each team individually.

I'm in a modern day online league and our league date is June 4th. 11 guys that were on my 25 man opening roster are currently on the DL. I've since had an additional 3 or 4 go on the DL and come off.

Is this really bad luck or realistic?

BTW our league settings are set to normal.

I can say that the league average is about 2.5-3 guys per month from each team hit at least the 15 day DL.

You can edit the injury frequency and fatigue in the game though.

Jeffy25 · 09-20-2011, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Injuries on the default setting are in fact a bit LOWER than in real life! The problem with injuries is real life perception. There are usually over 1000+ injuries per MLB season in real life, but many of them do not get properly reported so you don't really know they happened, which is different from OOTP obviously.

yup, I have found that most people don't realize how frequently big league players get hurt in real life. It's more than people realize.

09-20-2011, 12:13 AM	#1
Staples11 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 29	How accurate is injuries? Is there anyway to tell how many injuries the entire league has? I'm talking minors and majors combined, without having to go through and count each team individually. I'm in a modern day online league and our league date is June 4th. 11 guys that were on my 25 man opening roster are currently on the DL. I've since had an additional 3 or 4 go on the DL and come off. Is this really bad luck or realistic? BTW our league settings are set to normal.

09-20-2011, 06:15 AM	#5
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,806	Injuries on the default setting are in fact a bit LOWER than in real life! The problem with injuries is real life perception. There are usually over 1000+ injuries per MLB season in real life, but many of them do not get properly reported so you don't really know they happened, which is different from OOTP obviously. __________________ Buy Out of the Park Baseball 25 now! Download OOTP Go 25 for iOS Download OOTP Go 25 for Android

09-20-2011, 06:38 AM	#6
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,903	I think the problem a lot of people have with injuries isn't the overall amount, but the distribution by position and length. __________________

09-20-2011, 07:46 AM	#9
PhillieFever Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Elk Twp. NJ Posts: 6,763	These are the Phillies injuries for 2011, as you can see they're quite extensive. Last edited by PhillieFever; 11-04-2011 at 10:21 AM.

09-20-2011, 02:43 AM	#3
Poweshow Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 243 Infractions: 0/3 (3)	are

09-20-2011, 11:12 AM	#10
boshk All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 532	i think half the twins starters are on the DL this year too... and morneau probably wont play again, ever

09-20-2011, 03:13 PM	#12
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	My only issues with injuries is that if you have incomplete minors, it seems the majors get hit harder with injuries. My 1999 White Sox with full accurate minors (as of 2011) had approx 27 players injured anything from day-to-day to 7 months. 90% of those were players on my 25 man roster since i only had 7 players not on the 25 man roster. My 2000 White Sox until recently seemed to stay injury free. I have had approx 11 injuries so far. Mostly day-to-day. Aaron Myette has been out since last season. (AAA) I just lost Magglio Ordonez (6 weeks) and Hideo Nomo (3 months) within 4 days of each other and Frank Thomas got hurt with a 5 day-to-day injury the same game Nomo got injured. I have approx 51 players in my system. With many of my online leagues the injuries seem to hit the minors harder then it hits my major league roster. I have full set of players. Whereas like I said my solo league that doesn't have a full set of players get hit harder at the ML level vs minors.

09-20-2011, 03:22 PM	#13
Toado Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 107	I would suggest you target mostly "durable" players if you're getting really fed up by injuries. I've been doing that for the last several versions and generally only have a handful of injuries per season. They tend to be my guys who have a "normal" injury history, too. I don't even touch fragile players, unless they look like a huge steal in the draft... then I trade them for a durable prospect a year later.

09-20-2011, 07:26 PM	#15
J P Falcon the 3rd Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 166	I guess then the question one must ask is what type of calculation is done to differentiate whether a player is durable, normal, fragile, or the rather humorously labeled "wrecked"!

09-20-2011, 07:40 PM	#16
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,459	The descriptive words are just a general overall representation of the four injury proneness numeric values. If you're really curious you could edit a player and test out various combinations of injury proneness to see where the cutoffs are.