SP vs MR ratings

Panchobamba · 05-13-2012, 12:48 PM

I have a young draftee. Because of injuries he was called up and inserted as starter. He is listed as an MR.
As MR, his ratings are 4.5 stars, potential 5, with overall 19-13-9, potential 20-15-17.
If I set position as SP he drops to .5 star, potential 5, overall 14-13-9, potential 19-15-17
His stamina is 16 so I'd like to keep him as starter.
Is there a benefit to list him as an SP? A penalty to keep starting him even though he's an MR?
I have no desire to beat the system or trash tradition, but with this pitcher, it's tempting!

Wisnoodles · 05-13-2012, 12:54 PM

I would suggest using him as a MR for awhile before you have him as a SP. Possibly use him in long relief, almost every bullpen has one specialist like this. Or a spot starter but limit his innings.

derekjeter92 · 05-13-2012, 02:21 PM

well how many pitches does he have? He most likely can only throw a fastball and one off speed pitch, which is nearly impossible for a SP to be successful with only 2 pitches.

Panchobamba · 05-13-2012, 03:37 PM

Thanks! Learned something today. He has two pitches. He's had two quality starts so I'll probably use him in long relief & emergency starts once the regulars get off the DL.

phillupi · 05-14-2012, 08:22 AM

I wouldn't trash the idea yet. As a starter with good numbers he could possibly learn a new pitch. Bring him along slow.

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Spharv2 · 05-14-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by phillupi

I wouldn't trash the idea yet. As a starter with good numbers he could possibly learn a new pitch. Bring him along slow.

Does this happen? I'm over 100 years into my career now and have never seen anyone pick up an additional pitch.

Walsh06 · 05-14-2012, 10:59 AM

Ya it does happen. I have had it plenty of times. Not sure what affects it but I think starting relievers does impact it.

Spharv2 · 05-14-2012, 01:34 PM

Odd. I've started plenty of two pitch relievers in the lean years when there wasn't enough SP to go around, but I've never had it happen...and of course, now I'm in the middle of a really deep run of starters, so I'll have to keep at it and see if I can get one. Does it happen in the minors of you switch someone to SP? Or only in the majors as they start?

phillupi · 05-14-2012, 06:24 PM

I can't pin point and haven't seen it happen myself but have read it on this site somewhere. My guess is you have to change them to a starter not just use them as a starter for it to occur.

Palli can you answer this one?

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phillupi · 05-14-2012, 06:24 PM

I can't pin point and haven't seen it happen myself but have read it on this site somewhere. My guess is you have to change them to a starter not just use them as a starter for it to occur.

Palli can you answer this one?

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phillupi · 05-14-2012, 06:25 PM

Sorry for the double post.

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Sebastian Palkowski · 05-14-2012, 07:05 PM

Uff, I have to look that up ...

derekjeter92 · 05-15-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by phillupi

Sorry for the double post.

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lol i like how you apologize for the double post and in effect make a triple post :P

phillupi · 05-15-2012, 07:50 AM

That was lame on my part.

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ricealum · 01-09-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by derekjeter92

well how many pitches does he have? He most likely can only throw a fastball and one off speed pitch, which is nearly impossible for a SP to be successful with only 2 pitches.

From limited experience a MR with good stamina can start successfully if neither of his pitches is a fastball. I have a MR who started most of last season going 12-2 with a 2.31 ERA, averaging almost 7 IP per game. His pitches are sinker and circlechange.

There seems to be no penalty for starting a MR, so I would leave him a MR even when changing him to starter. I took a 4/5 MR that was pitching well and changed him to a SP. His rating dropped to 1/2 star and he did not pitch as well. I have decided that stamina is one of the key stats I look at in evaluating a your pitcher, along with G/F% and movement potential.

Spharv2 · 01-16-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

Uff, I have to look that up ...

Did you ever figure this out? I have been trying to get probably close to 50 MRs to pick up extra pitches in my current league, and as of yet, not a single one ever has.

Dkelley · 04-11-2013, 07:26 AM

Yeah, I have never seen it happen. It would be nice to know if that was possible

05-13-2012, 12:48 PM	#1
Panchobamba Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 113	SP vs MR ratings I have a young draftee. Because of injuries he was called up and inserted as starter. He is listed as an MR. As MR, his ratings are 4.5 stars, potential 5, with overall 19-13-9, potential 20-15-17. If I set position as SP he drops to .5 star, potential 5, overall 14-13-9, potential 19-15-17 His stamina is 16 so I'd like to keep him as starter. Is there a benefit to list him as an SP? A penalty to keep starting him even though he's an MR? I have no desire to beat the system or trash tradition, but with this pitcher, it's tempting!

05-14-2012, 10:59 AM	#7
Walsh06 All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 545	Ya it does happen. I have had it plenty of times. Not sure what affects it but I think starting relievers does impact it. __________________ The Numbers Game, Sports Blog

05-14-2012, 07:05 PM	#12
Sebastian Palkowski Developer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 5,416	Uff, I have to look that up ... __________________ Buy Franchise Hockey Manager

05-13-2012, 12:54 PM	#2
Wisnoodles Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 393	I would suggest using him as a MR for awhile before you have him as a SP. Possibly use him in long relief, almost every bullpen has one specialist like this. Or a spot starter but limit his innings.

05-13-2012, 02:21 PM	#3
derekjeter92 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 101	well how many pitches does he have? He most likely can only throw a fastball and one off speed pitch, which is nearly impossible for a SP to be successful with only 2 pitches.

05-13-2012, 03:37 PM	#4
Panchobamba Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 113	Thanks! Learned something today. He has two pitches. He's had two quality starts so I'll probably use him in long relief & emergency starts once the regulars get off the DL.

05-14-2012, 08:22 AM	#5
phillupi All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 814	I wouldn't trash the idea yet. As a starter with good numbers he could possibly learn a new pitch. Bring him along slow. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-14-2012, 01:34 PM	#8
Spharv2 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 108	Odd. I've started plenty of two pitch relievers in the lean years when there wasn't enough SP to go around, but I've never had it happen...and of course, now I'm in the middle of a really deep run of starters, so I'll have to keep at it and see if I can get one. Does it happen in the minors of you switch someone to SP? Or only in the majors as they start?

05-14-2012, 06:24 PM	#9
phillupi All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 814	I can't pin point and haven't seen it happen myself but have read it on this site somewhere. My guess is you have to change them to a starter not just use them as a starter for it to occur. Palli can you answer this one? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-14-2012, 06:25 PM	#11
phillupi All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 814	Sorry for the double post. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-15-2012, 07:50 AM	#14
phillupi All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 814	That was lame on my part. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04-11-2013, 07:26 AM	#17
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Yeah, I have never seen it happen. It would be nice to know if that was possible