What to do about Mexico?

[American_Ernesider]

I'm in the process of putting my "universe" together and I'm having a little trouble when it comes to the Western Hemisphere. There are so many US and Mexican fighters, that if I put them in my North American group, it's pretty top heavy with talent/fighters. I am trying to decide if I should put Mexico with my South American group, or just drop that and have a Latin American group and a separate US/Canada group. The down side is that I'll end up with almost all of the Western Hemisphere in one group, and "North America" is pretty much Canada/US.

For those with regional setups, do you care about this distinction?

[javier_83]

thats a good one, because, maybe you can split them between a latin america, north america group...

i prefer to puth a North America Group between Mexico, USA and Canada (just like the NABF) and the rest of the continent in another group.

[Antonin]

I have my main, heavyweight-only fictional universe [yes, I run more than one fictional universe] the way Javier suggests: North America consisting of Canada, US and Mexico, and South America consisting of the South American countries. I also have a Caribbean region with Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti, Bermuda, Trinidad and Tobago etc.

But, sometimes a country is part of more than one group. For example, Canada is also part of my Commonwealth group, as is Australia, New Zealand, etc. Nigeria is part of Africa and the Commonwealth.

I am thinking of making matters even more complicated by having groups for ECOWAS, The Sahel, the Former Soviet Union, the Arab League, etc.

I like the idea of regional champions.

[zyberianwarrior]

my head is exploding......while historically both Mexico and US has good fighters the better ones now are from Mexico which ever way you decide it will work for you.

[Cap]

I have only heavyweights myself, and historically there weren't too many from Mexico. Even after adding a handful of fictional pork & beaners from there, my North America group is dominated by US boxers. I have included Mexico in the North America group, but also created a Latin America group that includes Central and South America and the Caribbean, as well as Mexico. So, I have a NABF regional title and a LABC regional one.

Hey, Javier. What would you call your Latin American Boxing Commission? The simple version would be Consejo Latinamericano de Boxeo or CLB. I was thinking maybe Union de Boxeo de America Latina or UBAL instead.

Cap

[btown32]

Like Cap, I only work with a Heavyweight database, which currently consists of over 10,000 heavyweight boxers. The great thing about this game is the ability to mass group, so there is no need to just classify fighters under one "umbrella."

I have an NABF group that consists of: USA, Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico.
USBA group that consists of: USA and U.S. territories Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands.
United States 50 States that consists of: only the 50 U.S. states.
LABA that consists of: all the countries of Latin America - Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Ecuador, Guatemala, Haita, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, Venezuela, and countries with a broader definition of Latin America including - French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao.
And finally Mexico that consists of: only fighters from that country for national titles.

Of course, the other great thing is that YOU can do the groups in whatever way YOU want, but I believe the more you group fighters the better cross-sectional rankings, titles and game-play you receive.

[javier_83]

Originally Posted by Cap

I have only heavyweights myself, and historically there weren't too many from Mexico. Even after adding a handful of fictional pork & beaners from there, my North America group is dominated by US boxers. I have included Mexico in the North America group, but also created a Latin America group that includes Central and South America and the Caribbean, as well as Mexico. So, I have a NABF regional title and a LABC regional one.

Hey, Javier. What would you call your Latin American Boxing Commission? The simple version would be Consejo Latinamericano de Boxeo or CLB. I was thinking maybe Union de Boxeo de America Latina or UBAL instead.

Cap

The name is ABC - American Boxing Council jeeje i know its pretty simple but yeah i like the 3 letter abbreviation jejej

[Hanson Bros]

I have them in North American Boxing Federation and the Mexico Boxing Federation ...

[Hanson Bros]

I like the idea of a USBA group though for the 50 states ... I may add that soon

[American_Ernesider]

Thanks for all of the comments/assistance. I do like the group feature and I like a lot of these multiple-group examples --

1) How do you maintain these? Do you have a hierarchy of what is more important than another? Let's say you have a USBA champ -- is he below the NABF? How does he keep moving up...do you vacate titles, etc.? (I know a lot may be discussed on the Universe creation thread, but I know that's a little dated...but probably still valid).

2) How does the ranking work? Do you setup an organization? If so, how do they "link" to the group?

[javier_83]

For the ranking, when you see the organization, you can filter by group, so you need to create a Group for that organization and you need to put the fighters that will be available to fight for that table in that group.

here is an example if i am going to have the Mexican title, USA title and Canadian Title, and also a NABF title.

i need to create a group for all the Mexican fighters, another one for the US and for Canada, then i create another group for the NABF the good think is that a fighter can be in multiple groups so i also add them to the NABF.

so if i want to see the ranking only for Mexico i open my Mexico organization and filter by the Mexican group and when i want to see the rankings for the NABF i open my NABF organization and filter by the NABF group and it will appear the fighters from the 3 country's.

i hope i explain myself

Regards!!

[Hanson Bros]

Originally Posted by American_Ernesider

Thanks for all of the comments/assistance. I do like the group feature and I like a lot of these multiple-group examples --

1) How do you maintain these? Do you have a hierarchy of what is more important than another? Let's say you have a USBA champ -- is he below the NABF? How does he keep moving up...do you vacate titles, etc.? (I know a lot may be discussed on the Universe creation thread, but I know that's a little dated...but probably still valid).

2) How does the ranking work? Do you setup an organization? If so, how do they "link" to the group?

1) I don't have a hierarchy, once they are a regional champ of one group they can't fight for the title if they are in another ... they only vacate the regional if they win a world title

2) I use the performance points for rankings in the regions because I allow pre-prime unranked fighters to challenge for regional titles ... in my uni at 15 fights they get ranked and move up to the main group and only then can they challenge for a world title ... but a lot of my regional champs are pre-prime fighters

[American_Ernesider]

Thanks for the comments.

So, for those that have smaller regional groups, do you tend to have a specific amount of fighters? Do you fill this with stiffs/cans?

[kenyan_cheena]

When I had two IBL regional titles in TGPiS, I had the Americas belt encompassing North and South America plus the Caribbean and an Inter-Continental title for everywhere else. Not sure if that helps too much, though.

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by American_Ernesider

...So, for those that have smaller regional groups, do you tend to have a specific amount of fighters? Do you fill this with stiffs/cans?

My "living" universes are fictional, and I usually begin each region with about 20 randomly generated boxers plus about 20 "club fighters" [aka "stiffs" destined to have a prime rating of 0]. Every 2 months or so I add maybe 5 more random fighters and 15 more "club fighters." I have a group called "Club Fighters" to make it easier to keep track of who the TCs are, and I have another group called "Journeymen" for fighters destined to have a prime rating of 1.

I don't know the "correct" ratio of stiffs to real fighters. I'm curious to know what you guys see as the correct ratio for a fictional universe.

From time to time I will generate a couple of random or high-rated fighters and include them in my North Coast Gym group. I will give them more detailed background info and will sometimes name them myself. These are the guys whose careers I will protect and nurture.

My fictional heavyweight universe in TBCB 2.5 has many regions and sub-regions. But I also have a fictional MW universe that is very simple, with no regions.

Unlike Hanson Bros, I do allow regional champs to hold world titles. I do use the 5,642 alphabet organization "world" titles, but at the top of my fictional world HW hierarchy is the Ring Magazine title. For my fictional TBCB 2.5 MW universe I created a top world organization/title called the Global Boxing Authority [maybe somebody will design a cool-looking GBA belt with a UN theme ].

But like Hanson Bros, I also [sometimes] use performance points rather than regional rankings to determine who gets a title shot. In real life, who gets a title shot and who doesn't doesn't always make sense, so I don't think my fictional boxing universe[s] should always make sense either.

If I decide on a whim to give some guy a shot at a title, I just roleplay the issue and blame "corruption."

[Cap]

Originally Posted by American_Ernesider

Thanks for the comments.

So, for those that have smaller regional groups, do you tend to have a specific amount of fighters? Do you fill this with stiffs/cans?

I try to use historical fighters wherever possible, but I add a few fictional guys into the mix from time to time, mostly to pad records of historical fighters. I had one fictional boxer Bud MacEachern who ended up fighting for the world title twice. He was an amalgam of two or three different real-life fighters from the Maritimes. I tend to use boxers from the start of the glove era to the early 1950s, with a handful of modern day boxers thrown in out of time like Gerrie Coetzee, Doug Jones, Jerry Quarry, etc.

I only have a few thousand heavyweights in my AU. No idea how some of the other guys run ten thousand-plus male and female boxers of multiple weight classes. That's where a career version would come in handy, controlling the majority of boxers in a given AU.

Cap

[Antonin]

Originally Posted by American_Ernesider

Thanks for all of the comments/assistance. I do like the group feature and I like a lot of these multiple-group examples --

1) How do you maintain these? Do you have a hierarchy of what is more important than another? ...

Because the group feature is so flexible, it's really easy to experiment. With my fictional HW universe I have added several groups since I began, and I'll probably add more. For example, I might add a Francophone group that will include France and all the other French-speaking nations.

Since it's your universe, you can change the rules any time you want, to meet the needs of whatever playing style you are in the mood for. This may seem obvious, but sometimes I have had to remind myself not to be shy about simply playing around with things.

I'm also curious about how people maintain a universe that has thousands of fighters. How quickly do you move such a universe forward? How many fights to you watch? Do you rely mainly on the autoscheduler? Do you use lots of regional and national groups? Do you have a world champion, or do you use the alphabet groups? Does the computer slow down with a large universe?

My main universe is the fictional HW one. But I did not play TBCB for a long time, so it is only a couple of game years old, and consists of only a few hundred fighters. I have an historical uni with a start date of 1905, and no groups beyond the weight classes, and I also have a real-world uni for running current fights.

The arrival of TBCB 2.6 has resurrected my interest in the TBCB franchise, though I will still spend most of my time with 2.5 until some more polish has been applied to 2.6 [I *love* earnings tracking, but fight cards have been rough going for me].

Because of the TBCB 2.6-inspired renewal of activity on this forum, maybe we should start a new thread on universes, which would include discussion on how people use groups.

[Cap]

When the group concept was introduced way back when, I used it to segregate my boxers into different eras and gradually added them to my running universe. Not sure how I would go about doing that now. Especially as I like to toss a few guys in the mix from out of their own time.

Cap