What to do...best hitter is biggest locker room problem

American_Ernesider · 08-06-2015, 11:57 PM

I took over a team in my Unified Korean Baseball League and I seem to have a chemistry problem. I failed to look at my owner's goals, but I just checked them out. One goal is to get rid of clubhouse distraction Kwang-sub Moon. One problem..he is my best player.

He leads my team in most batting categories. I looks like he has started every game over the past four years. He is 2nd in the league in HRs, RBIs, and WAR. He is also the third rated position player overall in my league and is just 28.

I am just not sure what to do. I have a younger 1B that has some good #s, but not like this guy.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Matt Arnold · 08-07-2015, 07:58 AM

My suggestion? Keep him, but grab some good leadership vets to surround him with. You can usually handle one bad apple on the team without too much troubles.

tcoots423 · 08-08-2015, 12:25 AM

I had my owner say this when I was the Tigers. I JUST signed a guy from Cuba, Jose Cruz, who was 29, a 2B, and was a beast. After one year he batted .300/25+ HR/100+ RBIS... So I listened and traded him for Zack Grienke... HUGE MISTAKE... Cruz led the Dodgers to the Championship and while before I got Grienke he was 11-1. Grienke ended up falling from a 5 to 3 star and his career went down faster than an easy girl at a party.

Westheim · 08-08-2015, 04:36 AM

Who says the best batter is the problem? Trade everybody else, surround him with other d-bags, and off you go!

I wonder why my teams are always in last place.

tcoots423 · 08-08-2015, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

Who says the best batter is the problem? Trade everybody else, surround him with other d-bags, and off you go!

I wonder why my teams are always in last place.

I wonder if you have been approached by the government because they think your team name is racist lol...

Westheim · 08-08-2015, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tcoots423

I wonder if you have been approached by the government because they think your team name is racist lol...

What a curious sideshot...

My government wouldn't know the difference between a baseball and a bagle if struck in the head with it. And as long as your government isn't headed by some certain multi-billionaire to send airborne "pest control" after me, I've got nothing to worry about.

Back to clubhouse cancers then.

tcoots423 · 08-08-2015, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

What a curious sideshot...

My government wouldn't know the difference between a baseball and a bagle if struck in the head with it. And as long as your government isn't headed by some certain multi-billionaire to send airborne "pest control" after me, I've got nothing to worry about.

Back to clubhouse cancers then.

Ha. It wasnt anything bad. I just thought about in the US if you called a team the Raccoons, or Coons, theyd go crazy like how we have the Redskins ha..

RubeBaker · 08-08-2015, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

My suggestion? Keep him, but grab some good leadership vets to surround him with. You can usually handle one bad apple on the team without too much troubles.

Indeed. See "San Francisco Giants: 1993-2007".

RubeBaker · 08-08-2015, 08:25 AM

I have a theory which I call the "Cowboy Theory". Remember back in the mid-1990s when the Dallas Cowboys were a great team and an annual Super Bowl contender? Well, they also had many guys from that team who were arrested, popped for drugs, domestic violence, etc. Most fans and people didn't care when they were winning Super Bowls. It was only after they started losing when the fans and the media started to turn on them.

It says to me that when you're winning that most people will look away at your bad behavior or they'll tolerate it much more so long as you've got talent. But once you start losing, that's when they turn on you. And in the case of Barry Bonds, he's hated everywhere else in America except for San Francisco. Bonds gets standing ovations and cheers in San Francisco. Even O.J. Simpson gets booed in Buffalo.

American_Ernesider · 08-08-2015, 09:41 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions. My owner wasn't too happy, but I kept him on my roster. I still have some people that are unhappy, but I made some moves and I am not getting constant emails about it.

msupoke · 08-08-2015, 11:02 PM

As far as the Cowboy Theory goes, they had some very high character leaders on that team to offset the turds. Winning may have something to do with it, but surrounding turds like Irvin with guys like Aikman, Moose Johnson, and Emmitt Smith helped a ton. I was a fan of them until those guys retired and Houston got the Texans.

American_Ernesider · 08-11-2015, 11:19 PM

Update -- I had no plans on trading him, but I inadvertently made my owner pleased (gaining me big points in his year-end evaluation) by doing just that.

I was trying to trade my other 1B and not quite finding the deal. Then I got someone to bite, and I pulled the trigger. I'm not sure what I missed, but the game got saved and I was unable to undo that error.

In the end, we made it further in the playoffs this season than last, so maybe it wasn't all bad. It wasn't my plan though!

I appreciate all of your comments, even if I messed it up!

Seanzie · 08-12-2015, 12:05 AM

In a league I was playing, Dario Unda became a big star, having 4 seasons in a row for the Yankees where he was hitting ~.300/.450 OBP/50 HR/120+ RBIs. I, playing as GM of the Red Sox, made a huge move to sign him as a free agent, with a ridiculous $30M per season over 7 years, not noticing that he was a locker room cancer.

In Unda's first season he played extremely well, but completely cratered the chemistry of the team and we had our first sub-.500 team in several years. Traded him to a desperate St. Louis team in the off-season, replaced him with a 2.0 WAR player, and promptly made the World Series.

He was the New Age Barry Bonds

08-06-2015, 11:57 PM	#1
American_Ernesider Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 365	What to do...best hitter is biggest locker room problem I took over a team in my Unified Korean Baseball League and I seem to have a chemistry problem. I failed to look at my owner's goals, but I just checked them out. One goal is to get rid of clubhouse distraction Kwang-sub Moon. One problem..he is my best player. He leads my team in most batting categories. I looks like he has started every game over the past four years. He is 2nd in the league in HRs, RBIs, and WAR. He is also the third rated position player overall in my league and is just 28. I am just not sure what to do. I have a younger 1B that has some good #s, but not like this guy. Would love to hear your thoughts.

08-08-2015, 12:25 AM	#3
tcoots423 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: KS Posts: 197	I had my owner say this when I was the Tigers. I JUST signed a guy from Cuba, Jose Cruz, who was 29, a 2B, and was a beast. After one year he batted .300/25+ HR/100+ RBIS... So I listened and traded him for Zack Grienke... HUGE MISTAKE... Cruz led the Dodgers to the Championship and while before I got Grienke he was 11-1. Grienke ended up falling from a 5 to 3 star and his career went down faster than an easy girl at a party. Last edited by tcoots423; 08-08-2015 at 12:26 AM.

08-08-2015, 04:36 AM	#4
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08-07-2015, 07:58 AM	#2
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,753	My suggestion? Keep him, but grab some good leadership vets to surround him with. You can usually handle one bad apple on the team without too much troubles.

08-08-2015, 08:25 AM	#9
RubeBaker All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Posts: 642	I have a theory which I call the "Cowboy Theory". Remember back in the mid-1990s when the Dallas Cowboys were a great team and an annual Super Bowl contender? Well, they also had many guys from that team who were arrested, popped for drugs, domestic violence, etc. Most fans and people didn't care when they were winning Super Bowls. It was only after they started losing when the fans and the media started to turn on them. It says to me that when you're winning that most people will look away at your bad behavior or they'll tolerate it much more so long as you've got talent. But once you start losing, that's when they turn on you. And in the case of Barry Bonds, he's hated everywhere else in America except for San Francisco. Bonds gets standing ovations and cheers in San Francisco. Even O.J. Simpson gets booed in Buffalo.

08-08-2015, 09:41 PM	#10
American_Ernesider Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 365	Thanks for all the suggestions. My owner wasn't too happy, but I kept him on my roster. I still have some people that are unhappy, but I made some moves and I am not getting constant emails about it.

08-08-2015, 11:02 PM	#11
msupoke All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 621	As far as the Cowboy Theory goes, they had some very high character leaders on that team to offset the turds. Winning may have something to do with it, but surrounding turds like Irvin with guys like Aikman, Moose Johnson, and Emmitt Smith helped a ton. I was a fan of them until those guys retired and Houston got the Texans.

08-11-2015, 11:19 PM	#12
American_Ernesider Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 365	Update -- I had no plans on trading him, but I inadvertently made my owner pleased (gaining me big points in his year-end evaluation) by doing just that. I was trying to trade my other 1B and not quite finding the deal. Then I got someone to bite, and I pulled the trigger. I'm not sure what I missed, but the game got saved and I was unable to undo that error. In the end, we made it further in the playoffs this season than last, so maybe it wasn't all bad. It wasn't my plan though! I appreciate all of your comments, even if I messed it up!

08-12-2015, 12:05 AM	#13
Seanzie Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 1	In a league I was playing, Dario Unda became a big star, having 4 seasons in a row for the Yankees where he was hitting ~.300/.450 OBP/50 HR/120+ RBIs. I, playing as GM of the Red Sox, made a huge move to sign him as a free agent, with a ridiculous $30M per season over 7 years, not noticing that he was a locker room cancer. In Unda's first season he played extremely well, but completely cratered the chemistry of the team and we had our first sub-.500 team in several years. Traded him to a desperate St. Louis team in the off-season, replaced him with a 2.0 WAR player, and promptly made the World Series. He was the New Age Barry Bonds