Reserve team or international complex?

jpeters1734 · 11-14-2015, 08:56 PM

Hey I just signed an international FA. He's 16. my league uses reserve rosters. would his development be better in the reserves or the complex?

bwburke94 · 11-15-2015, 06:54 AM

Complex.

jpeters1734 · 11-15-2015, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bwburke94

Complex.

Why

Bluenoser · 11-15-2015, 08:51 AM

Because at 16, he's highly unlikely to be ready for minor league ball.

Think of it this way - if you had full minors, would you move him to rookie or leave him in the Complex?

Players still develop the same, reserve or minors, so this would be no different.

It's personal preference. Me, I've never moved a IAFA out of the complex unless I felt he was ready for rookie ball. Using reserve roster is no different. Go by your gut instinct. If you think he's ready move him over, if not, leave him until he is ready.

Why use up a spot on your reserve roster when it's not necessary?

bwburke94 · 11-15-2015, 09:03 AM

If the reserve roster has a ridiculously high roster limit, then I would consider moving him to the reserve roster.

StarlinCastro · 11-15-2015, 10:28 AM

In my leagues I always keep them in the complex until age 18, and then I will send them to my rookie leagues. You will mess up their development if you send them straight to rookie ball.

jpeters1734 · 11-15-2015, 12:13 PM

My argument though, is that the level of rookie is only at the pcm's that you set. I could create a league and fill it with players on the level of a 16 year complex player. When there are reserve rosters you don't set pcm's so I wonder if there is a difference at all between the complex and reserves.

Bluenoser · 11-15-2015, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

My argument though, is that the level of rookie is only at the pcm's that you set. I could create a league and fill it with players on the level of a 16 year complex player. When there are reserve rosters you don't set pcm's so I wonder if there is a difference at all between the complex and reserves.

I'm talking with default settings. There a 1000 ways to modify personal preferences in OOTP, and it's impossible to give an all encompassing answer.

If you're tweaking settings, then the best I can suggest is to make a copy of your league file, run 10 year test sims each way and see what kind of results you get. Then make a decision based on that.

Sharkn20 · 11-15-2015, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StarlinCastro

In my leagues I always keep them in the complex until age 18, and then I will send them to my rookie leagues. You will mess up their development if you send them straight to rookie ball.

Are the players developing in the international complex??

jpeters1734 · 11-15-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

I'm talking with default settings. There a 1000 ways to modify personal preferences in OOTP, and it's impossible to give an all encompassing answer.

If you're tweaking settings, then the best I can suggest is to make a copy of your league file, run 10 year test sims each way and see what kind of results you get. Then make a decision based on that.

I think you misinterpreted what I said. Since there are no pcm settings for the reserves, how do you know that a complex player isn't ready for the reserves?

Sharkn20 · 11-15-2015, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I think you misinterpreted what I said. Since there are no pcm settings for the reserves, how do you know that a complex player isn't ready for the reserves?

International complex really develops players?

BIG17EASY · 11-15-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharkn20

International complex really develops players?

Yes.

Sharkn20 · 11-15-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Yes.

Thanks, I didn't see too much development of my youngsters out yhere to be honest

BIG17EASY · 11-15-2015, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharkn20

Thanks, I didn't see too much development of my youngsters out yhere to be honest

Most of the players who are signed to your international complex will never pan out. My strategy has always been to go through the complex the day before the draft and look at all ratings relative to the Dominican Summer League. The players who are 18 or older and have terrible ratings relative to the DSL get released. Those 18 or older who look ready to play there get moved there, and occasionally I'll move a 17-year-old if he's clearly ready. I'd say maybe one in 10 guys from the international complex advance past rookie ball. How many you have will also depend on how much money you spend on scouting and how good your scout is.

Sharkn20 · 11-15-2015, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

Most of the players who are signed to your international complex will never pan out. My strategy has always been to go through the complex the day before the draft and look at all ratings relative to the Dominican Summer League. The players who are 18 or older and have terrible ratings relative to the DSL get released. Those 18 or older who look ready to play there get moved there, and occasionally I'll move a 17-year-old if he's clearly ready. I'd say maybe one in 10 guys from the international complex advance past rookie ball. How many you have will also depend on how much money you spend on scouting and how good your scout is.

That's really interesting, I am going to follow your way a couple of seasons. see how ot goes

11-14-2015, 08:56 PM	#1
jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 6,220	Reserve team or international complex? Hey I just signed an international FA. He's 16. my league uses reserve rosters. would his development be better in the reserves or the complex? __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

11-15-2015, 12:13 PM	#7
jpeters1734 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Juust a bit outside... Posts: 6,220	My argument though, is that the level of rookie is only at the pcm's that you set. I could create a league and fill it with players on the level of a 16 year complex player. When there are reserve rosters you don't set pcm's so I wonder if there is a difference at all between the complex and reserves. __________________ "Cannonball Coming!" Go Bucs!! Founder and League Caretaker of the Professional Baseball Circuit, www.probaseballcircuit.com An Un-Official Guide to Minor League Management in OOTP 21 Ratings Scale Conversion Cross-Reference Cheat Sheet

11-15-2015, 06:54 AM	#2
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,507	Complex.

11-15-2015, 08:51 AM	#4
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,207	Because at 16, he's highly unlikely to be ready for minor league ball. Think of it this way - if you had full minors, would you move him to rookie or leave him in the Complex? Players still develop the same, reserve or minors, so this would be no different. It's personal preference. Me, I've never moved a IAFA out of the complex unless I felt he was ready for rookie ball. Using reserve roster is no different. Go by your gut instinct. If you think he's ready move him over, if not, leave him until he is ready. Why use up a spot on your reserve roster when it's not necessary?

11-15-2015, 09:03 AM	#5
bwburke94 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Belchertown, MA, USA Posts: 4,507	If the reserve roster has a ridiculously high roster limit, then I would consider moving him to the reserve roster.

11-15-2015, 10:28 AM	#6
StarlinCastro Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 12	In my leagues I always keep them in the complex until age 18, and then I will send them to my rookie leagues. You will mess up their development if you send them straight to rookie ball.