Some Basic Questions About Relievers

[jscott991]

I'm a long time player of OOTP baseball and I've been playing OOTP 16 since last year, but in my return to the game, I have to admit being very frustrated.

Leaving aside the usual complaints (too many wild pitches and pitcher hits when you play the games yourself), my relievers take an absurdly long time to recover.

Playing as the Washington Nationals, I'm using Aaron Barrett as my closer. Right now, he is listed as throwing 19 pitches 3 days ago and 7 pitches 4 days ago. He is 77% rested. No one inning closer needs 4 days to recover from an appearance.

My left handed specialist threw 15 pitches 2 days ago. He is only 76% rested.

This simply makes no sense. I turned warm-ups off because of the continual weirdness of what happens when a pitcher is injured, so I'm not over-warming my guys up.

Is there some setting I can change to give bullpen pitchers more reasonable recovery times without making it easier for starting pitchers to pitch on short rest?

[RchW]

Originally Posted by jscott991

I'm a long time player of OOTP baseball and I've been playing OOTP 16 since last year, but in my return to the game, I have to admit being very frustrated.

Leaving aside the usual complaints (too many wild pitches and pitcher hits when you play the games yourself), my relievers take an absurdly long time to recover.

Playing as the Washington Nationals, I'm using Aaron Barrett as my closer. Right now, he is listed as throwing 19 pitches 3 days ago and 7 pitches 4 days ago. He is 77% rested. No one inning closer needs 4 days to recover from an appearance.

My left handed specialist threw 15 pitches 2 days ago. He is only 76% rested.

This simply makes no sense. I turned warm-ups off because of the continual weirdness of what happens when a pitcher is injured, so I'm not over-warming my guys up.

Is there some setting I can change to give bullpen pitches more reasonable recovery times without making it easier for starting pitchers to pitch on short rest?

Post a screenshot of your LTM. League options/stats and AI. The settings there (stamina) and in "General Strategic Settings" may tell us something.

[jscott991]

Hmm, my pitcher stamina is set to low. I've never changed it, so that must be the default. Is that the culprit?

[kq76]

That's the default, but I don't think you need for your relievers to be fully rested or even just rested. Slightly tired is okay. Tired is bad.

Regardless, there could be a problem with the warming up option. I think warming up should cause a bit of a loss of energy, but not as much as in game pitching.

[jscott991]

Originally Posted by kq76

That's the default, but I don't think you need for your relievers to be fully rested or even just rested. Slightly tired is okay. Tired is bad.

Regardless, there could be a problem with the warming up option. I think warming up should cause a bit of a loss of energy, but not as much as in game pitching.

I found many problems with the warming up option, so I turned it off entirely. So that can't be causing the issue.

[kq76]

Well, I honestly don't see any problem with the %s in your OP. Maybe you think a guy should be 100% after throwing 19, probably high intensity, pitches 3 days ago while also pitching the previous day, but I don't. Either way, like I said, "slightly tired", which I think 77% probably is, is okay, straight tired is not.

[jscott991]

There's no way a major league reliever who threw 19 pitches 3 days ago and 7 pitches the day before is feeling absolutely any effects of that.

What you are saying is that a bullpen pitcher basically needs the same amount of rest (4 days) as a starter.

That's just ridiculous.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by jscott991

There's no way a major league reliever who threw 19 pitches 3 days ago and 7 pitches the day before is feeling absolutely any effects of that.

What you are saying is that a bullpen pitcher basically needs the same amount of rest (4 days) as a starer.

That's just ridiculous.

I agree. My suggestion is you change the left side to "normal" and the relief pitcher LTM to 0.85.

[kq76]

Are you now or have you ever been a major league reliever? I doubt the average major league closer, with as hard as they usually throw, is 100% rested 2 days after an outing.

Regardless, does the OOTP manual say it's bad for a reliever to pitch when "slightly tired"? If it doesn't, then why should we care? Unless a guy is flat out tired, it doesn't matter.

[jscott991]

Most major league closers are used on consecutive days without a second thought. Most one inning relievers are used the same way.

A closer who needed as much rest as a starter (4 days, which is what you are saying is reasonable) wouldn't last in his role. It just doesn't make a lick of common sense.

I'm worried about changing the fatigue to normal. I don't want starters working any deeper into games or 4-man rotations.

Edit: Figured out what LTM was. I will just put reliever stamina to 1.15.

[Cinnamon J. Scudworth]

Originally Posted by jscott991

Most major league closers are used on consecutive days without a second thought. Most one inning relievers are used the same way.

And the same is true in OOTP. Relievers are used on back-to-back days all the time in OOTP. I'll reiterate what has been said before: your relievers are a-okay to pitch when "slightly tired." You'll also notice that players are shown as "rested" even if they aren't 100%. It's just part of the game mechanics. Tiredness is accumulated over time and eventually the player does need a day off.

Pitchers also have different stamina ratings. A reliever with very low stamina might need more than one day off if he has been used heavily over the course of several days.

In my experience, relievers get a realistic number of innings pitched over the course of a season with the default settings (pitcher stamina on "low," modifiers at 1.000) so I think this is working just fine.

[jscott991]

It's not functioning realistically whether he can pitch without impairment at 77% rest or not. If I use him at 77%, he will almost certainly be exhausted afterwards. That means that the game is postulating that I can use my closer something like 3 days in 7. That's absurdly unrealistic.

The value has to be changed. This is a problem I've never noticed in past versions of OOTP. It seems to be exaggerated in 2016.

[Cinnamon J. Scudworth]

Originally Posted by jscott991

It's not functioning realistically whether he can pitch without impairment at 77% rest or not. If I use him at 77%, he will almost certainly be exhausted afterwards. That means that the game is postulating that I can use my closer something like 3 days in 7. That's absurdly unrealistic.

The value has to be changed. This is a problem I've never noticed in past versions of OOTP. It seems to be exaggerated in 2016.

Your reliever will be exhausted after the game when he pitches on a second day, but when you progress to the following day he will usually show up as simply "tired." If you rest him that day, he will almost certainly be available the next day. You should be able to use most relievers 5 days in 7, based on resting them every third day in that manner. For example:

Mon: Pitch
Tue: Pitch
Wed: Rest
Thu: Pitch
Fri: Pitch
Sat: Rest
Sun: Pitch

That has been my experience on default modern settings in OOTP 16. If that's not possible, then your reliever has abnormally low stamina or something is weird about your settings.

[ThePretender]

On the player profile page is he listed as a SP or a RP?