Forgot what "Adjust Pitchers With Fewer than X innings" means.

markmcghee · 07-17-2016, 11:57 AM

Can someone refresh my memory on what OOTP does with pitchers who only pitched a few innings in a given season? I understand that the feature in question was designed to prevent the over utilization of guys who, for example, maybe pitch 10 inning and had a .87 ERA by drastically adjusting their ratings downward. Does it also apply to pitchers in the middle of their career who, in real life, sat out an entire year due to injury?

For example, I'm playing the 1938 Cardinals. One of my starters, Si Johnson, pitched only 15 innings in 1938 due to injury. He'd pitch, on average, 150-200 innings before and after 1938. Is OOTP going to slash his pitching ratings in 1938 due to his sparse number of innings? Or does the engine's career arc smooth over the missing season by interpolating an "average" season's ratings for the year missed by injury? Or for a year missed by military service, for that matter.

Same question for batters who only have a handful of ABs due to injury.

And the same question for rookies with fantastic ratings but who worked only a handful of innings in the year in question.

I used to know how this worked. Forgot.

Edit: I meant for my question to refer to the "Weaken Pitcher if Less Than X Innings" feature. In my example of 1938 Si Johnson, due to the fact that he only pitched 15 innings in 1938, will he be "weakened" even though before and after 1938 he was a mainline starter?

BBGiovanni · 07-17-2016, 01:07 PM

I'm not sure how it actually works, but it normalizes performance over a season rather than unadjusted real life stats. I remember a nobody catcher in the 90s for the Yankees that was like 4 for 10 with 2 hr one season, so his Statis-Pro card made him better than Barry Bonds in that game. I always think of it as the John Ramos setting

NoOne · 07-17-2016, 02:41 PM

yeah, it considers sample size error. so if a pitcher did really well or really bad in limited innings, his ratings won't look amazing nor suffer greatly.

The same thing applies with AB for batters (think it's ABs but whatever they use for it). like the ramos example above.

markmcghee · 07-17-2016, 05:13 PM

Thanks for the replies. I understand it is a "sample size correcting" routine. What I was asking was this: how does the game treat player ratings for the years in which an established player sees little or no action due to injury. Using my example of the 1938 Cardinals' Si Johnson who only pitched 15 innings in 1938. If I stick him into the rotation can I expect him to suck big-time since his sample size for 1938 was only 15 innings? Or will his rating and performance be some kind of normalized average more closely in tune with his career arc?

NoOne · 07-17-2016, 10:58 PM

well if that particular year he had bad stats in limited outings, his ratings will suffer more if you do not check that box. if you check the box they won't drop as much due to that particular year of limited innings and bad performanace.

it looks at a 3 year period? as long as it is chekcing it, it will affect ratings. if it's not in the manual you'll need someone with more exp or just test it out yourself.

07-17-2016, 11:57 AM	#1
markmcghee Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft.Lauderdale Posts: 151	Forgot what "Adjust Pitchers With Fewer than X innings" means. Can someone refresh my memory on what OOTP does with pitchers who only pitched a few innings in a given season? I understand that the feature in question was designed to prevent the over utilization of guys who, for example, maybe pitch 10 inning and had a .87 ERA by drastically adjusting their ratings downward. Does it also apply to pitchers in the middle of their career who, in real life, sat out an entire year due to injury? For example, I'm playing the 1938 Cardinals. One of my starters, Si Johnson, pitched only 15 innings in 1938 due to injury. He'd pitch, on average, 150-200 innings before and after 1938. Is OOTP going to slash his pitching ratings in 1938 due to his sparse number of innings? Or does the engine's career arc smooth over the missing season by interpolating an "average" season's ratings for the year missed by injury? Or for a year missed by military service, for that matter. Same question for batters who only have a handful of ABs due to injury. And the same question for rookies with fantastic ratings but who worked only a handful of innings in the year in question. I used to know how this worked. Forgot. Edit: I meant for my question to refer to the "Weaken Pitcher if Less Than X Innings" feature. In my example of 1938 Si Johnson, due to the fact that he only pitched 15 innings in 1938, will he be "weakened" even though before and after 1938 he was a mainline starter? Last edited by markmcghee; 07-17-2016 at 06:21 PM.

07-17-2016, 01:07 PM	#2
BBGiovanni All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Republic of California Posts: 1,910	I'm not sure how it actually works, but it normalizes performance over a season rather than unadjusted real life stats. I remember a nobody catcher in the 90s for the Yankees that was like 4 for 10 with 2 hr one season, so his Statis-Pro card made him better than Barry Bonds in that game. I always think of it as the John Ramos setting

07-17-2016, 02:41 PM	#3
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	yeah, it considers sample size error. so if a pitcher did really well or really bad in limited innings, his ratings won't look amazing nor suffer greatly. The same thing applies with AB for batters (think it's ABs but whatever they use for it). like the ramos example above.

07-17-2016, 05:13 PM	#4
markmcghee Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ft.Lauderdale Posts: 151	Thanks for the replies. I understand it is a "sample size correcting" routine. What I was asking was this: how does the game treat player ratings for the years in which an established player sees little or no action due to injury. Using my example of the 1938 Cardinals' Si Johnson who only pitched 15 innings in 1938. If I stick him into the rotation can I expect him to suck big-time since his sample size for 1938 was only 15 innings? Or will his rating and performance be some kind of normalized average more closely in tune with his career arc?

07-17-2016, 10:58 PM	#5
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	well if that particular year he had bad stats in limited outings, his ratings will suffer more if you do not check that box. if you check the box they won't drop as much due to that particular year of limited innings and bad performanace. it looks at a 3 year period? as long as it is chekcing it, it will affect ratings. if it's not in the manual you'll need someone with more exp or just test it out yourself.