Réalist !?

guizmo · 10-28-2016, 08:51 AM

Hello !
Do you find realistic game level players? do you find the best players touch the ball a lot better now than others? Is there a real difference between the players? I feel that any player even the best does not touch the ball a lot!
thank you

RchW · 10-28-2016, 09:13 AM

Hi are you referring to baseball? Most players don't touch the ball often except for the Pitcher and Catcher no matter how good they are. There are many real differences between players

Not sure what you mean by realistic game level players? OOTP is the ultimate in providing a realistic baseball management simulation. So in that sense the players are realistic but only in the statistical output they provide

guizmo · 10-28-2016, 09:20 AM

thank you for responding so quickly! it's true I know baseball is little time but when I watch the best teams with the best players, I find that even the best players do not touch the ball a lot bat! if they touch the ball is to send him to fly out! I play a lot when a soccer manager and a small team plays against the barcelona barcelona good example and wins easily, I found that when a small team plays this game against a top she has a 50% win anyway!

TheMaus2 · 10-28-2016, 09:22 AM

MLB doesn't have pro/reg and all the quality players are at the top level.

TheMaus2 · 10-28-2016, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by guizmo

thank you for responding so quickly! it's true I know baseball is little time but when I watch the best teams with the best players, I find that even the best players do not touch the ball a lot bat! if they touch the ball is to send him to fly out! I play a lot when a soccer manager and a small team plays against the barcelona barcelona good example and wins easily, I found that when a small team plays this game against a top she has a 50% win anyway!

Baseball doesn't have the amount of action that soccer can in this area. Do we see players score goals a lot? No. But when you see a top team against a bottom of the table team, they've got a good chance. Same here, except the bottom team has a good chance of winning one in a 3 game series.

TomVeal · 10-28-2016, 11:15 AM

Here are some statistics that you find find useful:

During the 2016 regular season, Kris Bryant of the Chicago Cubs, a very good hitter, came up to bat 699 times. He got base hits 176 times (25.18%). He got a base on balls or was hit by a pitch 93 times (13.30%). He struck out 154 times (22.03%). The other 276 times he hit a fair ball but was put out.

In short, even very skilled batters fail most of the time.

guizmo · 10-28-2016, 12:29 PM

ok so what's the difference between a great player and a bad miss if both often? I have a little trouble to understand that's all!
When I look at the game in 3D I have the impression of seeing the same thing! 95% of the balls are missed!
I would love this game!

RchW · 10-28-2016, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TomVeal

Here are some statistics that you find find useful:

During the 2016 regular season, Kris Bryant of the Chicago Cubs, a very good hitter, came up to bat 699 times. He got base hits 176 times (25.18%). He got a base on balls or was hit by a pitch 93 times (13.30%). He struck out 154 times (22.03%). The other 276 times he hit a fair ball but was put out.

In short, even very skilled batters fail most of the time.

But he touched or was touched by the ball very often.

Consider;

176 its + 18 (HBP) + 276 outs over 699 PA. That equals touching the ball in 67.2% of his PA. That doesn't include any foul balIs/tips in each PA. Let's say he hit a FB or tip once each 4PA that would add 175 touches making it 645/699 or 92% of his PA resulting in a touch of one kind or another.

If you add fielding stats he handled the ball 455 times excluding errors in 155 games. That's almost 3 per game.

Players touch the ball all the time.

In Bryant's case approx 7 times per game played

Matt Arnold · 10-28-2016, 02:06 PM

It's just the nature of baseball, that small changes can compound quickly, so if one player has a 25% chance of getting a hit, and someone else has a 30% chance, that's actually a huge difference over the course of 700+ at-bats.

And yes, even the worst team in the league against the best team will still win ~35% of the time, which is a big reason why the baseball season is so long compared to other sports, so that the variations will show up over the course of a full season.

But yeah, even the best players fail most of the time. But it's all about getting players that fail less than others, and then making sure that when they don't fail, they do as well as they can in those cases.

guizmo · 10-28-2016, 02:38 PM

I understand better, it's true that on many ca game can make the difference! 3D game player statistics are transcribed? we see the diference of players in the 3D mode?
Thank you

TomVeal · 10-28-2016, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

But he touched or was touched by the ball very often.

Consider;

176 its + 18 (HBP) + 276 outs over 699 PA. That equals touching the ball in 67.2% of his PA. That doesn't include any foul balIs/tips in each PA. Let's say he hit a FB or tip once each 4PA that would add 175 touches making it 645/699 or 92% of his PA resulting in a touch of one kind or another.

If you add fielding stats he handled the ball 455 times excluding errors in 155 games. That's almost 3 per game.

Players touch the ball all the time.

In Bryant's case approx 7 times per game played

If we're going to be literally accurate, Bryant touched the ball 469 times during the season on fielding plays (assuming that he at least got a glove on it when committing his 14 errors) and 18 times when he was hit by pitches. His bat also touched the ball, but no part of his body made contact.

But I don't think that Gizmo was using "touch" in that sense.

RchW · 10-28-2016, 04:02 PM

And I did separate out some variations. If one were to literally interpret touch as he-hit-the-ball-with-the-bat, then Bryant hit the ball 176 + 276 = 452/603AB = 74.9% or 3 times a game. This doesn't include any balls "hit" that were ruled foul. With foul "hits" added at a seriously low rate 1/10 ab he literally hit the ball in 85% of all at bats.

Lukas Berger · 10-28-2016, 08:43 PM

This has turned into a really interesting thread! Good stuff guys

polydamas · 10-28-2016, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by guizmo

I understand better, it's true that on many ca game can make the difference! 3D game player statistics are transcribed? we see the diference of players in the 3D mode?
Thank you

I don't even know how to respond to this. I can't tell if this is a clever troll or a confused Spaniard.

MrBojangles · 10-29-2016, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by polydamas

I don't even know how to respond to this. I can't tell if this is a clever troll or a confused Spaniard.

Seems your a confused polydamas...

BigRed75 · 10-29-2016, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by guizmo

thank you for responding so quickly! it's true I know baseball is little time but when I watch the best teams with the best players, I find that even the best players do not touch the ball a lot bat! if they touch the ball is to send him to fly out! I play a lot when a soccer manager and a small team plays against the barcelona barcelona good example and wins easily, I found that when a small team plays this game against a top she has a 50% win anyway!

It's the nature of Major League Baseball that the "bad" teams still win around 40% of their games, and the champions usually only win around 60% of their games. You simply don't see teams dominate like they do in high level European football.

guizmo · 10-30-2016, 07:35 AM

or you can see the list of best players when we finished an entire season? or sees it rewards players for the season ended? thank you !

polydamas · 10-31-2016, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBojangles

Seems your a confused polydamas...

Undoubtedly.

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Originally Posted by guizmo

or you can see the list of best players when we finished an entire season? or sees it rewards players for the season ended? thank you !

I guess I'll give this a shot. I could be completely misinterpreting the questions.

At the end of the season (or even during), there is a statistical leaders page that you can look at. Here is what it looks like:

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As for rewarding the player, that is a continuous process over the course of the season. Ex:

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As you can see, the catcher I traded for started off as a borderline prospect (20 actual ability/ 43 potential ability). Over the course of the last year, he has incrementally improved into a 46 actually ability/ 77 potential ability player. These are based on random improvements and also their statistics.

10-28-2016, 08:51 AM	#1
guizmo Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 39	Réalist !? Hello ! Do you find realistic game level players? do you find the best players touch the ball a lot better now than others? Is there a real difference between the players? I feel that any player even the best does not touch the ball a lot! thank you

10-28-2016, 09:13 AM	#2
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Hi are you referring to baseball? Most players don't touch the ball often except for the Pitcher and Catcher no matter how good they are. There are many real differences between players Not sure what you mean by realistic game level players? OOTP is the ultimate in providing a realistic baseball management simulation. So in that sense the players are realistic but only in the statistical output they provide __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

10-28-2016, 09:22 AM	#4
TheMaus2 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The OOTP Forums. Always. Posts: 1,952	MLB doesn't have pro/reg and all the quality players are at the top level. __________________ I write a monthly newsletter on the Food Baseball Association. I also listen to music no one's ever heard of in hopes of looking cool and alternative.

10-28-2016, 04:02 PM	#12
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	And I did separate out some variations. If one were to literally interpret touch as he-hit-the-ball-with-the-bat, then Bryant hit the ball 176 + 276 = 452/603AB = 74.9% or 3 times a game. This doesn't include any balls "hit" that were ruled foul. With foul "hits" added at a seriously low rate 1/10 ab he literally hit the ball in 85% of all at bats. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

10-28-2016, 08:43 PM	#13
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,193	This has turned into a really interesting thread! Good stuff guys __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com PreOrder Out of the Park Baseball 26! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

10-28-2016, 09:20 AM	#3
guizmo Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 39	thank you for responding so quickly! it's true I know baseball is little time but when I watch the best teams with the best players, I find that even the best players do not touch the ball a lot bat! if they touch the ball is to send him to fly out! I play a lot when a soccer manager and a small team plays against the barcelona barcelona good example and wins easily, I found that when a small team plays this game against a top she has a 50% win anyway!

10-28-2016, 11:15 AM	#6
TomVeal All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Spanaway, Washington Posts: 1,238	Here are some statistics that you find find useful: During the 2016 regular season, Kris Bryant of the Chicago Cubs, a very good hitter, came up to bat 699 times. He got base hits 176 times (25.18%). He got a base on balls or was hit by a pitch 93 times (13.30%). He struck out 154 times (22.03%). The other 276 times he hit a fair ball but was put out. In short, even very skilled batters fail most of the time.

10-28-2016, 12:29 PM	#7
guizmo Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 39	ok so what's the difference between a great player and a bad miss if both often? I have a little trouble to understand that's all! When I look at the game in 3D I have the impression of seeing the same thing! 95% of the balls are missed! I would love this game!

10-28-2016, 02:06 PM	#9
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 15,661	It's just the nature of baseball, that small changes can compound quickly, so if one player has a 25% chance of getting a hit, and someone else has a 30% chance, that's actually a huge difference over the course of 700+ at-bats. And yes, even the worst team in the league against the best team will still win ~35% of the time, which is a big reason why the baseball season is so long compared to other sports, so that the variations will show up over the course of a full season. But yeah, even the best players fail most of the time. But it's all about getting players that fail less than others, and then making sure that when they don't fail, they do as well as they can in those cases.

10-28-2016, 02:38 PM	#10
guizmo Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 39	I understand better, it's true that on many ca game can make the difference! 3D game player statistics are transcribed? we see the diference of players in the 3D mode? Thank you

10-30-2016, 07:35 AM	#17
guizmo Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 39	or you can see the list of best players when we finished an entire season? or sees it rewards players for the season ended? thank you !