College Player Draftees no closer to Majors than 17 yo HS guys

crowhop · 06-13-2018, 06:18 PM

From my experience, 21-22 year old College guys are no closer to MLB ready than 17-18 year old High School guys. It seems to make no sense at all to draft them.

Using Joey Bart as an example in my most recent league...it is 2021 and he's in AA after spending three years in A- and A. Not all guys develop quickly, or even at all, but this seems to be a trend I've seen.

Anyone else get this? Is there anything to combat this aside from editing each and every Draftee?

Lukas Berger · 06-13-2018, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crowhop

From my experience, 21-22 year old College guys are no closer to MLB ready than 17-18 year old High School guys. It seems to make no sense at all to draft them.

Using Joey Bart as an example in my most recent league...it is 2021 and he's in AA after spending three years in A- and A. Not all guys develop quickly, or even at all, but this seems to be a trend I've seen.

Anyone else get this? Is there anything to combat this aside from editing each and every Draftee?

Their current ratings are definitely set higher to start. Obviously though, that doesn't mean each of them will develop faster or that they'll develop at all as you mention. But it does give them a boost to begin with, and you'll typically see them start at a higher level of the minors than the HS guys. Where they go from there is up to the dev engine though.

Lukas Berger · 06-13-2018, 06:34 PM

In the next patch, the initial ratings for some of the top college guys will be a bit higher though btw, so it should help out with this.

jfb8300 · 06-13-2018, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Berger

In the next patch, the initial ratings for some of the top college guys will be a bit higher though btw, so it should help out with this.

Is this affecting feeders, or just generated draft classes?

james17 · 06-14-2018, 01:36 AM

As has been noted in another thread, the quality of the draft classes are way down in OOTP 19. My league just created a draft pool and there are no 5 star potential players and only a handful of 4 stars. There are also too many closers at the top of the quality too. I liked it much better in OOTP 18...the only gripe I really have with this year's edition.

Lukas Berger · 06-14-2018, 03:43 AM

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Is this affecting feeders, or just generated draft classes?

Just the hand made ones.

MisterTidster · 06-14-2018, 09:48 AM

When you draft and you’re looking at your grid of options, you can click on a player and adjust the relative ratings, then go back to your grid. It’s a little glitchy, because the ratings will populate with relative values, but not your overall and potential stars. If you click the scouting drop down and pick your scout or OOTP scouting, your relative overall and potential stars will populate. You can then sort by overall stars. This can help you identify guys that can make the jump to A-, A, or A+, which are almost always college guys. Your college guys will progress as quickly as high schoolers (in my experience). The advantage of a college player is an advanced starting point if you pay attention to your scouting.

Also as far as moving up quickly, using “force start” helps, especially if the AI is managing your minors. Development is related to playing time, so you don’t want your best prospects playing behind filler when they move up into the next level.

andyhdz · 06-14-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterTidster

Also as far as moving up quickly, using “force start” helps, especially if the AI is managing your minors. Development is related to playing time, so you don’t want your best prospects playing behind filler when they move up into the next level.

As long as you have the option set to have minor league managers play players based on potential not current ratings this shouldn't be a problem for most of your top players.

The Yurpman · 06-14-2018, 04:15 PM

Check your budget for Player Development, too. I always bump it up by $5 million or so.

james17 · 06-14-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by andyhdz

As long as you have the option set to have minor league managers play players based on potential not current ratings this shouldn't be a problem for most of your top players.

Been playing for years and didn’t know about this. Where is this option located in the game?

The Yurpman · 06-14-2018, 07:02 PM

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Been playing for years and didn’t know about this. Where is this option located in the game?

I forget which settings page it's under but it's set to "play based on potential" as default (at least in an MLB QS game). Keep it/change it to that setting. Works wonders.

james17 · 06-14-2018, 08:18 PM

I’ll definitely try it if I ever find it.

jimmysthebestcop · 06-14-2018, 09:15 PM

I've had limited success with some college players starting out in A or A+ immediately.

But I've also seen 23 year college draftees with high potential but current is as low as a 18 high school kid.

It is realistic though as there are a bunch of players that dont get called up till there 27+ maybe they are just bench guys or AAAA guys. Or the new 3 year option guys who go up and down 2 dozen times a year now.

Biggest thing is researching the draft class. Sometimes those players ready for A or A+ might be scouted as lower potential but they might be big league starters in 2 years. So it can be hard to find them sometimes.

Bunktown Ballers · 06-14-2018, 09:29 PM

This was as of 2012. Just the facts

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...leagues#slide0

itsmb8 · 06-14-2018, 09:45 PM

Also possible to bump up development, that might help as well.

james17 · 06-15-2018, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Yurpman

I forget which settings page it's under but it's set to "play based on potential" as default (at least in an MLB QS game). Keep it/change it to that setting. Works wonders.

I have looked and looked and can't find where that setting is.

Does anyone know? Help would really be appreciated.

homerj · 06-15-2018, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by james17

I have looked and looked and can't find where that setting is.

Does anyone know? Help would really be appreciated.

It's where the player development modifiers are, there's an option "set minors based on" option and you have the option of current or potential.

Bunktown Ballers · 06-15-2018, 09:51 AM

i think its in the coach's option on team page....i think

itsmb8 · 06-15-2018, 11:00 AM

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james17 · 06-15-2018, 03:55 PM

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06-13-2018, 06:18 PM	#1
crowhop Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 220	College Player Draftees no closer to Majors than 17 yo HS guys From my experience, 21-22 year old College guys are no closer to MLB ready than 17-18 year old High School guys. It seems to make no sense at all to draft them. Using Joey Bart as an example in my most recent league...it is 2021 and he's in AA after spending three years in A- and A. Not all guys develop quickly, or even at all, but this seems to be a trend I've seen. Anyone else get this? Is there anything to combat this aside from editing each and every Draftee? Last edited by crowhop; 06-13-2018 at 06:21 PM.

06-13-2018, 06:34 PM	#3
Lukas Berger OOTP Developments Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Nice, Côte d'Azur, France Posts: 21,365	In the next patch, the initial ratings for some of the top college guys will be a bit higher though btw, so it should help out with this. __________________ lukas@ootpdevelopments.com PreOrder Out of the Park Baseball 26! Need to upload files for us to check out? Instructions can be found here

06-14-2018, 09:48 AM	#7
MisterTidster Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 100	When you draft and you’re looking at your grid of options, you can click on a player and adjust the relative ratings, then go back to your grid. It’s a little glitchy, because the ratings will populate with relative values, but not your overall and potential stars. If you click the scouting drop down and pick your scout or OOTP scouting, your relative overall and potential stars will populate. You can then sort by overall stars. This can help you identify guys that can make the jump to A-, A, or A+, which are almost always college guys. Your college guys will progress as quickly as high schoolers (in my experience). The advantage of a college player is an advanced starting point if you pay attention to your scouting. Also as far as moving up quickly, using “force start” helps, especially if the AI is managing your minors. Development is related to playing time, so you don’t want your best prospects playing behind filler when they move up into the next level. Last edited by MisterTidster; 06-14-2018 at 09:54 AM.

06-14-2018, 09:29 PM	#14
Bunktown Ballers All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,598 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Draftees This was as of 2012. Just the facts https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...leagues#slide0

06-14-2018, 09:45 PM	#15
itsmb8 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,340	Also possible to bump up development, that might help as well. Last edited by itsmb8; 06-15-2018 at 03:04 AM.

06-14-2018, 01:36 AM	#5
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,305	As has been noted in another thread, the quality of the draft classes are way down in OOTP 19. My league just created a draft pool and there are no 5 star potential players and only a handful of 4 stars. There are also too many closers at the top of the quality too. I liked it much better in OOTP 18...the only gripe I really have with this year's edition.

06-14-2018, 04:15 PM	#9
The Yurpman Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 320	Check your budget for Player Development, too. I always bump it up by $5 million or so.

06-14-2018, 08:18 PM	#12
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,305	I’ll definitely try it if I ever find it.

06-14-2018, 09:15 PM	#13
jimmysthebestcop Banned Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 1,727 Infractions: 0/2 (5)	I've had limited success with some college players starting out in A or A+ immediately. But I've also seen 23 year college draftees with high potential but current is as low as a 18 high school kid. It is realistic though as there are a bunch of players that dont get called up till there 27+ maybe they are just bench guys or AAAA guys. Or the new 3 year option guys who go up and down 2 dozen times a year now. Biggest thing is researching the draft class. Sometimes those players ready for A or A+ might be scouted as lower potential but they might be big league starters in 2 years. So it can be hard to find them sometimes.

06-15-2018, 09:51 AM	#18
Bunktown Ballers All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,598 Infractions: 0/2 (3)	Option i think its in the coach's option on team page....i think

06-15-2018, 11:00 AM	#19
itsmb8 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,340	League Settings, Rules, Minor League Settings, "base depth charts and rotation by..."