Historical Player League looking for 24 souls

tinker2evers · 07-20-2020, 04:59 PM

OOTP leagues are popping up quickly and new leagues are becoming hard to fill (even more so when you have a 24 team league that is historic in nature) - But here is what I am looking to fill:

WEST COAST BASEBALL ASSOCIATION

The league is made up of 24 teams in 2 leagues.
The California League and Transcontinental League.
Each league has 2 divisions. Both leagues are set up as Independent Leagues with no affiliation to any other team or league.
(There is no MLB in this universe)

The California League is teams all located in California and the Transcontinental League is made up of teams along the transcontinental railway which is central california all the way out to Nebraska. (you can google it) The team names MAY or MAY not be actual historical names BUT THE PLAYERS ALL WILL BE

The starting year is 1946

I have erased all players (with few exceptions) that had more than 5 years of service time and included players from both the negro American and National Leagues (whose players I did not erase). This left players like Warren Spahn and Charlie Kelleher alongside Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige..

The concept for this action was to eliminate many of the older well established stars and leave many unknown and some known minor leaguers to fill the league.

The teams were then randomly drafted by AI - no action taken by myself to influence the outcome. I have them erased all the service time and records for the entire league, so that all records that are set are set by these players not including any historic past players.

Now the questions and hopefully the answers to those questions:

1. This is not meant to be a replay league. Players are not guaranteed to perform as they may have in actual history.
2. The reason for erasing the seasoned players is that this league will be looking to recreate history without the help of the Boston Red Sox or New York Yankees... “ “ but wait you said that Warren Spahn is in the league he was a great historic player - doesn’t that go against the concept of star players” - No the league is not against historic star players but instead it is started in a space in time BEFORE these players became stars. As the limit was 4 years or less most of these players were still toiling in the minors at this point.
3. Doing number 2 above makes the possibility of a unique history, since all minor leaguers were dumped into the same draft pool this will allow some players that may have never made it to the big leagues to play and develop alongside with players that were known to be stars... but in this case the stars may fail and the unknowns become stars. It creates its own history.
4. Players will enter the draft as they would have going forward from 1946 but in this league the color barrier has been turned off so it will open up the possibility of more diverse group of players.

A few rules, and thoughts that will dictate the league...

This will be a form of historic league, it will include historical players starting in 1946 - Several of these players may be unknown by many, but they are in fact real players. We will progress towards the present.... THERE WILL NOT BE ANY MIKE TROUT’S or BRYCE HARPERS for quite some time.....keep this in mind when considering this league, these are old guys please don’t sign up and then realize you only know like 5 guys and then want to quit....

1. The sim frequency is 3 days a week (M W F) it will be a week at a time per sim. Please understand that is the schedule, that may be to slow for some - so do not ask about the league if this is not a schedule that appeals to you.

2. League activity... been a part of several leagues and have found the difference between the good and bad is owner participation. This is easy to say and it always comes back that the commissioner should do more to enhance activity.... This is just dead wrong, the commissioner can not do anymore to spur activity if the owners have no interest in doing so.... So I leave that up to GM’s - if you want to have an active league, be active otherwise it becomes a very subdued league which for some may be fine, but that is the biggest issue..... The commissioner will do what he can but if GM’s don’t participate it will never be active league.

3. Exports and league interest, the league takes time to run and maintain as well as to pay for the hosting. None of these are the concern of the GM’s but what is of concern is the GM’s doing there job : running your team. The league can take as little as 15 minutes a week. After sims check results, reset lineups if needed and export. That is all and this is where things fall apart, GM’s put teams in auto-pilot and don’t stay involved. Therefore all GM’s are required to export a minimum of twice a week PERIOD. There will be no allowance for missing multiple sims. If you cannot do this do not apply.

4. The league will use Stats-Plus... Dave is an awesome guy and what he provides is what we would need for hosting.

5. Slack will be used for all league communications. it is easy to set up and easy to use - All managers would need to have it and use it.

6. See #3 & 5 - Much like the export concept the same holds true for Slack, answer messages, check-in and stay involved- long periods of being away will lead to assumption of no interest.

7. Most important of all - this is meant to be fun and competitive, it is not meant to be stressful or regimented. We all have lives and things happen (they just do) so it is understood. But everyone needs to be honest, if you cannot commit do not bother. An open team is better than a team claimed and then GM ghosts the league.

8. I am open to thoughts and suggestions to make the experience better for all. But all suggested changes to the league will require a majority vote.

GAME SETTINGS: (General - If you have a question - please ask)

Scouting is on - set to Normal
Ratings will be 20-80
Overall & Potential on - 20-80
Coaching will be off

Finances are on.. and are what the game provides..

Each team will have a 25 man roster (pre-drafted)

Each team will also have an affiliated minor league team with 25 man roster (pre-drafted)

Due to the era the reserve clause rule is in place. This means that all players are signed to the teams they are on for their entire career unless they are released or traded. Since this means all players will automatically have contracts renewed it creates two opposite effects.

The first effect is it makes the idea of dealing with contracts and finances somewhat irrelevant- this makes trading and player movements much harder. But it also creates the change for a GM to build a team and not have to worry about contracts and demands forcing sales. Agin this could effect the leagues trading activity - BUT SHOULD NOT AFFECT THE OVERALL LEAGUE ACTIVITY.

This is the basic outline of the league - I will post the structure and teams in a separate post as well as the roster for the Major Team - not the minor league team

This is not a league that will rush to open - I need 24 GM's - I will not start with 8 or 10 or 12 - If I cannot get a full boat (or close to it) - I will not run this - So please also understand that when thinking about joining. There is no reason to open a league that is almost all empty .

If interest - P.M. me here

tinker2evers · 07-20-2020, 05:05 PM

CALIFORNIA LEAGUE

WESTERN DIVISION
San Jose Red Sox
San Francisco Sea Lions (taken)
Los Angeles White Sox (taken)
Santa Barbara Dodgers
Oakland Larks (taken)
San Diego Tigers (taken)

CENTRAL DIVISION
Porterville Packers
Bakersfield Indians
Visalia Cubs (taken)
Stockton Ports (taken)
Modesto Reds
Fresno Cardinals (taken)

TRANSCONTINENTAL LEAGUE
NORTHERN DIVISION

Vancouver Mounties ( taken )
Eugene Emeralds
Ogden Trappers (taken)
Seattle Indians
Sacramento Senators
Tacoma Giants (taken)

CENTRAL DIVISION

Council Bluffs Zephrys (taken)
Truckee Pioneers
Cheyenne Chiefs (taken)
Julesburg Bison (taken)
Grand Island Prarie Dogs
Salt Lake City Bees (taken)

tinker2evers · 07-20-2020, 05:46 PM

Bakersfield Indians

Fresno Cardinals

Modesto Reds

Oakland Larks (taken)

Porterville Packers

San Diego Tigers (Taken)

San Francisco Sea Lions (taken)

San Jose Red Sox

Santa Barbara Dodgers

Stockton Ports (Taken)

Visalia Cubs (Taken)

tinker2evers · 07-20-2020, 06:10 PM

Cheyenne Chiefs (Taken)

Council Bluffs Zephyrs (Taken)

Eugene Emeralds

Grand Island Prarie Dogs

Julesburg Bison (Taken)

Ogden Trappers ( Taken)

Sacramento Senators

Salt Lake City Bees

Seattle Indians (Taken)

Tacoma Giants

Truckee Pioneers

Vancouver Mounties (Taken)

stevem810 · 07-20-2020, 10:57 PM

Maxed on leagues, but, yours looks real nice. Good luck and enjoy!

tinker2evers · 07-21-2020, 01:11 AM

Stockton, Los Angeles, Vancouver , Visalia taken

tinker2evers · 07-21-2020, 11:11 PM

Cheyenne taken, Ogden Taken

Delgadodawg · 07-22-2020, 09:03 PM

Seems like a solid group of owners so far. If you are into a unique historical league, this one has a lot of potential.

tinker2evers · 07-23-2020, 04:51 PM

It is super difficult to fill these leagues anymore with so many popping up and people filling them

This promises to be a solid - competitive league - with historic players

We need about 19 more to start

tinker2evers · 07-23-2020, 08:30 PM

San Diego and San Francisco are gone

tinker2evers · 07-24-2020, 12:32 PM

Councill Bluffs taken

Joseph_James · 07-24-2020, 06:18 PM

Hi Tinker2evers,

Thank you for letting me take the Tigers. Your wrote, "Finances are on.. and are what the game provides." Can you give us an idea of what the finances will look like? What about the stadiums also?

tinker2evers · 07-25-2020, 11:25 AM

What is meant by that is the financials are as the game assigned, I have not done anything to alter them. OOTP financials can be challenging at best since they do not follow any real accounting rules... So I always try not to do much with them. They are all set to 1946 salaries and such

The stadiums will vary in capacity - I will get the specifics to you guys here in the next day or so...

tinker2evers · 07-25-2020, 01:49 PM

Julesberg filled...need a few more

tinker2evers · 07-26-2020, 02:14 PM

We are at 10 souls at the moment... we are Almost halfway to the 24 needed.

If you like historic player leagues this is one of those. I will be getting the league file uploaded by Tuesday so all GM’s and prospective GM’s can start to see the lay of the land

Joseph_James · 07-27-2020, 03:18 PM

I sure do hope this league gets enough people to join. It's going to be fun. I've already researched the players on my team. In real life, 4 were All-Stars and 5 never made it past AA. No telling how they'll perform for me.

Mularkey · 07-27-2020, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinker2evers

We are at 10 souls at the moment... we are Almost halfway to the 24 needed.

If you like historic player leagues this is one of those. I will be getting the league file uploaded by Tuesday so all GM’s and prospective GM’s can start to see the lay of the land

Thanks for this! Since I am totally new to OOTP21, can you tell me (us), when the time comes, how to download files and how to submit line-ups to you?

Jay_Bourne · 07-27-2020, 06:53 PM

Very easy to do the export...
Commisionner will send you a quick link to join and then you exprt your file when in OOTP 21

Join the fun

tinker2evers · 07-28-2020, 07:59 PM

We are at 11 - getting 24 may be tough (as I expected) but am one short of halfway.... Oakland was taken...

Come fill that 12th spot

Joseph_James · 08-01-2020, 10:24 PM

Guys/gals, sign up soon. This league will be starting very shortly. An initial draft of players is being discussed tonight on Slack (instead of the pre-assigned players listed above for each team). That is because there are less GMs than planned (currently at 12).

The one BIG advantage to this league is that it won't take a ton of committed time to operate your team. You will only have one minor league team to deal with AND sims are only 3 times a week.

If you've been afraid to join a league because you don't have the time, this may be your league.

07-20-2020, 04:59 PM	#1
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	Historical Player League looking for 24 souls OOTP leagues are popping up quickly and new leagues are becoming hard to fill (even more so when you have a 24 team league that is historic in nature) - But here is what I am looking to fill: WEST COAST BASEBALL ASSOCIATION The league is made up of 24 teams in 2 leagues. The California League and Transcontinental League. Each league has 2 divisions. Both leagues are set up as Independent Leagues with no affiliation to any other team or league. (There is no MLB in this universe) The California League is teams all located in California and the Transcontinental League is made up of teams along the transcontinental railway which is central california all the way out to Nebraska. (you can google it) The team names MAY or MAY not be actual historical names BUT THE PLAYERS ALL WILL BE The starting year is 1946 I have erased all players (with few exceptions) that had more than 5 years of service time and included players from both the negro American and National Leagues (whose players I did not erase). This left players like Warren Spahn and Charlie Kelleher alongside Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige.. The concept for this action was to eliminate many of the older well established stars and leave many unknown and some known minor leaguers to fill the league. The teams were then randomly drafted by AI - no action taken by myself to influence the outcome. I have them erased all the service time and records for the entire league, so that all records that are set are set by these players not including any historic past players. Now the questions and hopefully the answers to those questions: 1. This is not meant to be a replay league. Players are not guaranteed to perform as they may have in actual history. 2. The reason for erasing the seasoned players is that this league will be looking to recreate history without the help of the Boston Red Sox or New York Yankees... “ “ but wait you said that Warren Spahn is in the league he was a great historic player - doesn’t that go against the concept of star players” - No the league is not against historic star players but instead it is started in a space in time BEFORE these players became stars. As the limit was 4 years or less most of these players were still toiling in the minors at this point. 3. Doing number 2 above makes the possibility of a unique history, since all minor leaguers were dumped into the same draft pool this will allow some players that may have never made it to the big leagues to play and develop alongside with players that were known to be stars... but in this case the stars may fail and the unknowns become stars. It creates its own history. 4. Players will enter the draft as they would have going forward from 1946 but in this league the color barrier has been turned off so it will open up the possibility of more diverse group of players. A few rules, and thoughts that will dictate the league... This will be a form of historic league, it will include historical players starting in 1946 - Several of these players may be unknown by many, but they are in fact real players. We will progress towards the present.... THERE WILL NOT BE ANY MIKE TROUT’S or BRYCE HARPERS for quite some time.....keep this in mind when considering this league, these are old guys please don’t sign up and then realize you only know like 5 guys and then want to quit.... 1. *The sim frequency is 3 days a week (M W F) it will be a week at a time per sim.* Please understand that is the schedule, that may be to slow for some - so do not ask about the league if this is not a schedule that appeals to you. 2. League activity... been a part of several leagues and have found the difference between the good and bad is owner participation. This is easy to say and it always comes back that the commissioner should do more to enhance activity.... This is just dead wrong, the commissioner can not do anymore to spur activity if the owners have no interest in doing so.... So I leave that up to GM’s - if you want to have an active league, be active otherwise it becomes a very subdued league which for some may be fine, but that is the biggest issue..... The commissioner will do what he can but if GM’s don’t participate it will never be active league. 3. Exports and league interest, the league takes time to run and maintain as well as to pay for the hosting. None of these are the concern of the GM’s but what is of concern is the GM’s doing there job : running your team. The league can take as little as 15 minutes a week. After sims check results, reset lineups if needed and export. That is all and this is where things fall apart, GM’s put teams in auto-pilot and don’t stay involved. Therefore all GM’s are required to export a minimum of twice a week PERIOD. There will be no allowance for missing multiple sims. If you cannot do this do not apply. 4. The league will use Stats-Plus... Dave is an awesome guy and what he provides is what we would need for hosting. 5. Slack will be used for all league communications. it is easy to set up and easy to use - All managers would need to have it and use it. 6. *See #3 & 5 - Much like the export concept the same holds true for Slack, answer messages, check-in and stay involved- long periods of being away will lead to assumption of no interest. 7. Most important of all - this is meant to be fun and competitive, it is not meant to be stressful or regimented. We all have lives and things happen (they just do) so it is understood. But everyone needs to be honest, if you cannot commit do not bother.* An open team is better than a team claimed and then GM ghosts the league. 8. I am open to thoughts and suggestions to make the experience better for all. But all suggested changes to the league will require a majority vote. GAME SETTINGS: (General - If you have a question - please ask) Scouting is on - set to Normal Ratings will be 20-80 Overall & Potential on - 20-80 Coaching will be off Finances are on.. and are what the game provides.. Each team will have a 25 man roster (pre-drafted) Each team will also have an affiliated minor league team with 25 man roster (pre-drafted) Due to the era the reserve clause rule is in place. This means that all players are signed to the teams they are on for their entire career unless they are released or traded. Since this means all players will automatically have contracts renewed it creates two opposite effects. The first effect is it makes the idea of dealing with contracts and finances somewhat irrelevant- this makes trading and player movements much harder. But it also creates the change for a GM to build a team and not have to worry about contracts and demands forcing sales. Agin this could effect the leagues trading activity - BUT SHOULD NOT AFFECT THE OVERALL LEAGUE ACTIVITY. This is the basic outline of the league - I will post the structure and teams in a separate post as well as the roster for the Major Team - not the minor league team This is not a league that will rush to open - I need 24 GM's - I will not start with 8 or 10 or 12 - If I cannot get a full boat (or close to it) - I will not run this - So please also understand that when thinking about joining. There is no reason to open a league that is almost all empty . If interest - P.M. me here

07-20-2020, 05:05 PM	#2
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	League Breakdown CALIFORNIA LEAGUE WESTERN DIVISION San Jose Red Sox San Francisco Sea Lions (taken) Los Angeles White Sox (taken) Santa Barbara Dodgers Oakland Larks (taken) San Diego Tigers (taken) CENTRAL DIVISION Porterville Packers Bakersfield Indians Visalia Cubs (taken) Stockton Ports (taken) Modesto Reds Fresno Cardinals (taken) TRANSCONTINENTAL LEAGUE NORTHERN DIVISION Vancouver Mounties ( taken ) Eugene Emeralds Ogden Trappers (taken) Seattle Indians Sacramento Senators Tacoma Giants (taken) CENTRAL DIVISION Council Bluffs Zephrys (taken) Truckee Pioneers Cheyenne Chiefs (taken) Julesburg Bison (taken) Grand Island Prarie Dogs Salt Lake City Bees (taken) Last edited by tinker2evers; 08-02-2020 at 06:39 PM.

07-20-2020, 06:10 PM	#4
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	Cheyenne Chiefs (Taken) Council Bluffs Zephyrs (Taken) Eugene Emeralds Grand Island Prarie Dogs Julesburg Bison (Taken) Ogden Trappers ( Taken) Sacramento Senators Salt Lake City Bees Seattle Indians (Taken) Tacoma Giants Truckee Pioneers Vancouver Mounties (Taken) Last edited by tinker2evers; 07-30-2020 at 12:01 AM.

07-20-2020, 10:57 PM	#5
stevem810 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sarasota Posts: 2,052	Maxed on leagues, but, yours looks real nice. Good luck and enjoy! __________________ Julien Henri Version https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...22#post4626122 Michigan Town Ball https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...28#post4630528

07-21-2020, 01:11 AM	#6
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	Stockton, Los Angeles, Vancouver , Visalia taken Last edited by tinker2evers; 07-21-2020 at 03:42 AM.

07-20-2020, 05:46 PM	#3
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	California League Bakersfield Indians Fresno Cardinals Modesto Reds Oakland Larks (taken) Porterville Packers San Diego Tigers (Taken) San Francisco Sea Lions (taken) San Jose Red Sox Santa Barbara Dodgers Stockton Ports (Taken) Visalia Cubs (Taken) Last edited by tinker2evers; 07-28-2020 at 08:50 PM.

07-21-2020, 11:11 PM	#7
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	Cheyenne taken, Ogden Taken Last edited by tinker2evers; 07-21-2020 at 11:25 PM.

07-22-2020, 09:03 PM	#8
Delgadodawg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver Posts: 800	Seems like a solid group of owners so far. If you are into a unique historical league, this one has a lot of potential.

07-23-2020, 04:51 PM	#9
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	It is super difficult to fill these leagues anymore with so many popping up and people filling them This promises to be a solid - competitive league - with historic players We need about 19 more to start

07-23-2020, 08:30 PM	#10
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	San Diego and San Francisco are gone

07-24-2020, 12:32 PM	#11
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	Councill Bluffs taken

07-24-2020, 06:18 PM	#12
Joseph_James Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 12	Finances? Hi Tinker2evers, Thank you for letting me take the Tigers. Your wrote, "Finances are on.. and are what the game provides." Can you give us an idea of what the finances will look like? What about the stadiums also?

07-25-2020, 11:25 AM	#13
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	What is meant by that is the financials are as the game assigned, I have not done anything to alter them. OOTP financials can be challenging at best since they do not follow any real accounting rules... So I always try not to do much with them. They are all set to 1946 salaries and such The stadiums will vary in capacity - I will get the specifics to you guys here in the next day or so...

07-25-2020, 01:49 PM	#14
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	Julesberg filled...need a few more

07-26-2020, 02:14 PM	#15
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	We are at 10 souls at the moment... we are Almost halfway to the 24 needed. If you like historic player leagues this is one of those. I will be getting the league file uploaded by Tuesday so all GM’s and prospective GM’s can start to see the lay of the land

07-27-2020, 03:18 PM	#16
Joseph_James Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 12	Here's to hoping we fill this league I sure do hope this league gets enough people to join. It's going to be fun. I've already researched the players on my team. In real life, 4 were All-Stars and 5 never made it past AA. No telling how they'll perform for me.

07-27-2020, 06:53 PM	#18
Jay_Bourne Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Jay Peak Vermont Posts: 32	mularkey Very easy to do the export... Commisionner will send you a quick link to join and then you exprt your file when in OOTP 21 Join the fun __________________ Jay Bourne OOTP gamer since 2017 ______________________________ https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=324056

07-28-2020, 07:59 PM	#19
tinker2evers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 37	We are at 11 - getting 24 may be tough (as I expected) but am one short of halfway.... Oakland was taken... Come fill that 12th spot

08-01-2020, 10:24 PM	#20
Joseph_James Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 12	Soon to be starting Guys/gals, sign up soon. This league will be starting very shortly. An initial draft of players is being discussed tonight on Slack (instead of the pre-assigned players listed above for each team). That is because there are less GMs than planned (currently at 12). The one BIG advantage to this league is that it won't take a ton of committed time to operate your team. You will only have one minor league team to deal with AND sims are only 3 times a week. If you've been afraid to join a league because you don't have the time, this may be your league. Last edited by Joseph_James; 08-01-2020 at 10:29 PM.