You guys need a point sale or something, it feels dead around here

Thundercrack · 10-20-2020, 04:07 PM

don't it?

dkgo · 10-20-2020, 05:01 PM

there was one just 3 weeks ago...

Thundercrack · 10-20-2020, 05:45 PM

I know. But they need something to liven up this joint

chazzycat · 10-20-2020, 06:03 PM

come over to discord, it's much livelier

RchW · 10-20-2020, 06:33 PM

Not dead to me. I'm posting more than usual.

dkgo · 10-20-2020, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Thundercrack

I know. But they need something to liven up this joint

Seems like the serious players have moved to discord, and the disastrous mission format made the game extremely punishing to the casual player this year so I can see why most have given up.

daves · 10-20-2020, 09:50 PM

I think it can be livelier on the forum. I know there is Discord, but it has limited conversations and your conversation tends to disappear.

A chat within the game or league would be fun. it's rare to have a discussion with other teams in your league.

hardongear · 10-20-2020, 10:30 PM

As a completely new player as of about 2 weeks ago I'm quite surprised how quiet it is in the forums.

So far either week I have yet to find anyone or talk to anyone in either IRON or STONE leagues. And using Discord didn't make a difference either. It's been ghost town.

Each league could really use their own chat window. That would probably help inter-league chat a lot. That's really the one thing that's disappointing the most. Lack of league chat.

May as well just be playing a bunch of AI bots. Thats what it feels like.

Cheers!!!

dkgo · 10-20-2020, 11:01 PM

You pretty much are until you get to the upper levels. Just kinda how the game works since a team is never deleted, most rookie/stone level teams haven't logged on in months.

hardongear · 10-20-2020, 11:18 PM

I can understand why they dont bother logging in. Why bother when it just feels like you're only playing AI bots. It's rather dam boring.

I'd also argue that even them higher level players aren't that active. If they were it wouldn't be so dead here. No activity is no activity.

You wanna keep people logging in you gotta keep them involved and entertained. Making them feel like they're just playing bots is a just a big fail. Each league having it's own chat window would go a long way towards that.

Cheers!!!

Westheim · 10-20-2020, 11:30 PM

I blame the dismal stacked missions for much misery in this year's edition. You either made the right move in the first week or you didn't and never caught up. And it only got worse from there.

I just pulled the plug for a few weeks and just now am getting back in. Turns out my teams can be solidly pathetic even without me checking in.

And no points sale is going to help with the dismal stacked missions, either...

hardongear · 10-20-2020, 11:54 PM

I've actually found it better and easier to just work the AH buying and selling cards for a profit. Then taking that profit and buying the cards I want/need.

Most missions cost more to complete than the reward they offer.

Cheers!!!

dkgo · 10-21-2020, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

I blame the dismal stacked missions for much misery in this year's edition. You either made the right move in the first week or you didn't and never caught up. And it only got worse from there.

I just pulled the plug for a few weeks and just now am getting back in. Turns out my teams can be solidly pathetic even without me checking in.

And no points sale is going to help with the dismal stacked missions, either...

It's like someone saw how missions warped the economy last year and thought "I wonder what will happen if we made the best cards in the game as rewards on top of that!"

Westheim · 10-21-2020, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

It's like someone saw how missions warped the economy last year and thought "I wonder what will happen if we made the best cards in the game as rewards on top of that!"

It doesn't matter whether one saw it coming beforehand or didn't. The card supply isn't there.

My Mets had piled up 126k points. I think the Diamond+ mission is 6 of 15 or something. You need 6 in any case. I had 2. There were only three other cards on the market to begin with, and it was the exact same thing three weeks ago, six weeks ago, and ten weeks ago. There are IRON cards that are not on the market. Not even for 500 PP. Not at all.

The card supply is a fundamental issue with these stacked missions (and the fact that you need ALL cards for many missions). It was already bad in 20, but the missions were layered chronologically so you often didn't need a whole lot of diamonds. In 21, you very much do need a whole lot of diamonds. When was the last time someone opened a pack and found exactly the historical diamond he was looking for?

At this point I would welcome the FIFA model (the horror). You can only ever have one copy of a card. Multiples only on the auction house or in an expired auctions queue (but where they DO count against your allowed total auctions), and if you pack multiples, they either go straight to the auction house, the bin, or you hold them in a cache, but as long as there is a card in the cache you can't open any more packs.

FORCE cards onto the market. Because 21 missions, as they are, are completely broken.

chazzycat · 10-21-2020, 12:30 PM

They sure are setting the table for horrible economy next year if they don't change their ways.

A critical mass of players is now aware that the ideal long term strategy is to hoard all cards you ever pick up, because they will be in a collection eventually. That is not a good incentive that will lead to a good supply of cards on the AH.

dkgo · 10-21-2020, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

It doesn't matter whether one saw it coming beforehand or didn't. The card supply isn't there.

My Mets had piled up 126k points. I think the Diamond+ mission is 6 of 15 or something. You need 6 in any case. I had 2. There were only three other cards on the market to begin with, and it was the exact same thing three weeks ago, six weeks ago, and ten weeks ago. There are IRON cards that are not on the market. Not even for 500 PP. Not at all.

The card supply is a fundamental issue with these stacked missions (and the fact that you need ALL cards for many missions). It was already bad in 20, but the missions were layered chronologically so you often didn't need a whole lot of diamonds. In 21, you very much do need a whole lot of diamonds. When was the last time someone opened a pack and found exactly the historical diamond he was looking for?

At this point I would welcome the FIFA model (the horror). You can only ever have one copy of a card. Multiples only on the auction house or in an expired auctions queue (but where they DO count against your allowed total auctions), and if you pack multiples, they either go straight to the auction house, the bin, or you hold them in a cache, but as long as there is a card in the cache you can't open any more packs.

FORCE cards onto the market. Because 21 missions, as they are, are completely broken.

Oh I completely agree, the "someone" I was referring to was whoever came up with the structure this year not the players.

Last year there were a few bottleneck diamonds that ended up costing a crazy 75K or so. This year there are more than 10x as many. The Devil Rays you need four GOLDS that only sell for 40K+. And the impact on everybody is that none of those cards are available to actually play the ****ing game with.

The ultimate team squad building challenge is far, far superior.

dkgo · 10-21-2020, 01:02 PM

But maybe they've run the numbers and enough whales are happy that it doesn't matter what any of us think. If next year has a couple dozen teams spending several thousands of dollars, the dedicated F2P people investing all their time, and then ten thousand teams that just open their free packs and populate the rest of the pyramid that is good enough.

Personally I thought the PT20 model was excellent for a first effort and just needed a few tweaks in terms of not making any historical diamond mandatory and boosting a few of the rewards cards. But it got completely overhauled for the worse.

Westheim · 10-21-2020, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

The ultimate team squad building challenge is far, far superior.

I watched quite a lot of Youtube on this in the last few months, and while there is major red flags in that game, too - foremost, two currencies, and if you buy currency, you have to run it through packs with horrendous odds to even convert it into normal currency - at least the SBC stuff seems to have attractive options from time to time.

In the end, I'm still too appalled by EA's general demeanor to throw money down their throat. But hey, it works for them, to the tunes of billions probably.

But in PT 21, if you need a Peak Bill Smith and there is no Peak Bill Smith on the market, ever, you're not gonna get the SE Dave Miller, either - ever.

dkgo · 10-21-2020, 01:36 PM

Requiring purchased currency to be spent on packs though is a major lever towards ensuring a large supply of cards in the market.

Imagine if a whale who wanted a 2M PP player had to first open 2000 packs and put those cards on the market to turn those points into PP.

bailey · 10-21-2020, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgo

Requiring purchased currency to be spent on packs though is a major lever towards ensuring a large supply of cards in the market.

Imagine if a whale who wanted a 2M PP player had to first open 2000 packs and put those cards on the market to turn those points into PP.

Obviously you have never tried to list 12000 cards on the AH one by one with a 50 card limit.

10-20-2020, 04:07 PM	#1
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daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,801	I think it can be livelier on the forum. I know there is Discord, but it has limited conversations and your conversation tends to disappear. A chat within the game or league would be fun. it's rare to have a discussion with other teams in your league. __________________

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hardongear Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Canada Posts: 19	I've actually found it better and easier to just work the AH buying and selling cards for a profit. Then taking that profit and buying the cards I want/need. Most missions cost more to complete than the reward they offer. Cheers!!! Last edited by hardongear; 10-21-2020 at 02:30 AM.

10-20-2020, 05:01 PM	#2
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	there was one just 3 weeks ago...

10-20-2020, 05:45 PM	#3
Thundercrack All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 849	I know. But they need something to liven up this joint

10-20-2020, 06:03 PM	#4
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	come over to discord, it's much livelier

10-20-2020, 10:30 PM	#8
hardongear Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Canada Posts: 19	As a completely new player as of about 2 weeks ago I'm quite surprised how quiet it is in the forums. So far either week I have yet to find anyone or talk to anyone in either IRON or STONE leagues. And using Discord didn't make a difference either. It's been ghost town. Each league could really use their own chat window. That would probably help inter-league chat a lot. That's really the one thing that's disappointing the most. Lack of league chat. May as well just be playing a bunch of AI bots. Thats what it feels like. Cheers!!!

10-20-2020, 11:01 PM	#9
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	You pretty much are until you get to the upper levels. Just kinda how the game works since a team is never deleted, most rookie/stone level teams haven't logged on in months.

10-20-2020, 11:18 PM	#10
hardongear Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Canada Posts: 19	I can understand why they dont bother logging in. Why bother when it just feels like you're only playing AI bots. It's rather dam boring. I'd also argue that even them higher level players aren't that active. If they were it wouldn't be so dead here. No activity is no activity. You wanna keep people logging in you gotta keep them involved and entertained. Making them feel like they're just playing bots is a just a big fail. Each league having it's own chat window would go a long way towards that. Cheers!!!

10-21-2020, 12:30 PM	#15
chazzycat All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,685	They sure are setting the table for horrible economy next year if they don't change their ways. A critical mass of players is now aware that the ideal long term strategy is to hoard all cards you ever pick up, because they will be in a collection eventually. That is not a good incentive that will lead to a good supply of cards on the AH.

10-21-2020, 01:02 PM	#17
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	But maybe they've run the numbers and enough whales are happy that it doesn't matter what any of us think. If next year has a couple dozen teams spending several thousands of dollars, the dedicated F2P people investing all their time, and then ten thousand teams that just open their free packs and populate the rest of the pyramid that is good enough. Personally I thought the PT20 model was excellent for a first effort and just needed a few tweaks in terms of not making any historical diamond mandatory and boosting a few of the rewards cards. But it got completely overhauled for the worse.

10-21-2020, 01:36 PM	#19
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	Requiring purchased currency to be spent on packs though is a major lever towards ensuring a large supply of cards in the market. Imagine if a whale who wanted a 2M PP player had to first open 2000 packs and put those cards on the market to turn those points into PP.