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Old 03-25-2023, 11:23 PM   #1
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Replaying baseball history from 1871

I decided to start a new historical league starting in 1871.
I will be using ootp23 till 1901 and then convert to ootp24.
If the ootp24 database is fixed then i will of course convert sooner.
I will be using actual historical teams with the players that played for that team.
In some cases i've had to make a guess for a transaction date.
For example when a player leaves one team for a team that will be folding during the year.
I don't want to trade a player too soon and leave his old team with not enough players.
Nor do i want to wait too long to trade a player.
Not gonna do any good to trade a player to a team thats already folded.
I will be using the real starting pitcher for every game unless the pitcher is injured.
I am using as played schedules until around 1900.
Reason is that if i allow a team that folded to play a whole season then players on those teams may have
stats far different than history and they can effect the stats of other players.
Injuries are enough of a what if factor for me.
I dont expect historical stats to be exact as i would just read a book on baseball history
but i do like a player's performance to be in the ballpark of his real life model.
Sometimes a player's career will still take a left turn no matter what ballpark you put him in.

Some house rules i will be using.
If a team folded then that team is ineligible for postseason play.
I don't want a team that played 6 games winning the championship.
If more than 15 errors are made in a game then that game will be replayed.
Its just a personal taste.

In my previous replays involving 19th century players it was more of a challenge to get everything to work.
I think i am at a point now where it is not as much work as it once was and i can just enjoy the replay more.
At least i hope so.

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Old 03-25-2023, 11:26 PM   #2
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Old 03-25-2023, 11:59 PM   #6
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NATIONAL ASSOCIATION 1871
STATISTICS & LEADERS

LEAGUE STANDINGS
Team W L WPct GB R RA
Washington Olympics 19 13 .594 - 280 242
Boston Red Stockings 18 13 .581 ½ 279 228
New York Mutuals 19 14 .576 ½ 255 227
Cleveland Forest Citys 16 13 .552 1½ 253 215
Philadelphia Athletics 15 13 .536 2 248 252
Troy Haymakers 15 14 .517 2½ 246 266
Rockford Forest Citys 10 15 .400 5½ 208 232
Chicago White Stockings 10 18 .357 7 219 258
Fort Wayne Kekiongas 5 14 .263 7½ 104 172

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Old 03-26-2023, 12:02 PM   #7
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I decided to start a new historical league starting in 1871.
I will be using ootp23 till 1901 and then convert to ootp24.
If the ootp24 database is fixed then i will of course convert sooner.
I will be using actual historical teams with the players that played for that team.
In some cases i've had to make a guess for a transaction date.
For example when a player leaves one team for a team that will be folding during the year.
I don't want to trade a player too soon and leave his old team with not enough players.
Nor do i want to wait too long to trade a player.
Not gonna do any good to trade a player to a team thats already folded.
I will be using the real starting pitcher for every game unless the pitcher is injured.

Some house rules i will be using.
If a team folded then that team is ineligible for postseason play.
I don't want a team that played 6 games winning the championship.
If more than 15 errors are made in a game then that game will be replayed.
Its just a personal taste.

In my previous replays involving 19th century players it was more of a challenge to get everything to work.
I think i am at a point now where it is not as much work as it once was and i can just enjoy the replay more.
At least i hope so.
Great to see you back with a league starting in 1871 BaseballMan. I follow all your 19th century reports going back to 2016. I'm also using 23 for the 1898 season and look forward to seeing how your transition to 24 in 1901 goes. Really looking forward to this.
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Old 03-26-2023, 12:27 PM   #8
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Great to see you back with a league starting in 1871 BaseballMan. I follow all your 19th century reports going back to 2016. I'm also using 23 for the 1898 season and look forward to seeing how your transition to 24 in 1901 goes. Really looking forward to this.
Thanks.
I'm really interested to see how using actual starting pitchers for each game will go.
Might get Old Hoss Radbourn his 59 wins.
Looking into maybe putting stats up on a website.
Would like to do a yearly write up like "The Sports Encyclopedia Baseball.
Not sure if i will have the time.
Resigned up with dropbox for now.
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Old 03-26-2023, 12:28 PM   #9
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Hope this link to my almanac works
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Old 03-26-2023, 06:42 PM   #10
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Old 03-26-2023, 06:57 PM   #14
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Thinking of letting chat gpt do a season recap.
Maybe posting playoff videos on youtube.
Unless there is fee for that.
Right now i would like to be able to share stats in an easy way.
Anyway its early in the replay but if there is any player you want to hear about or keep an eye just let me know.
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Thinking of letting chat gpt do a season recap.
Maybe posting playoff videos on youtube.
Unless there is fee for that.
Right now i would like to be able to share stats in an easy way.
Anyway its early in the replay but if there is any player you want to hear about or keep an eye just let me know.
Steve Bellan was the first latin player to play in the National Association. He was with the Troy Haymakers in 71 and 72. Has he gotten any starts in your save? In real life he had 286 at bats over 3 seasons. He's considered the father of Cuban baseball as he organized their professional league in the early days.
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Old 03-26-2023, 09:01 PM   #16
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Steve Bellan was the first latin player to play in the National Association. He was with the Troy Haymakers in 71 and 72. Has he gotten any starts in your save? In real life he had 286 at bats over 3 seasons. He's considered the father of Cuban baseball as he organized their professional league in the early days.
He started 29 games and batted .217 in 1871.
Started 25 games and batted .202 in 1872.
The ai had hims starting at 3b in 1871 and ss in 1872.
I have him moving to The New York Mutuals in 1873.
I dont think he will achieve his real lifetime batting average.
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Old 03-28-2023, 05:13 PM   #17
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So i used chat gpt to write a season recap.
I rearranged it a bit but this is what i got so far.
Trying to take notes of what i noticed during a season so it doesn't just spit out stats. Wanting to make season recaps like in the "Sports Encyclopedia Baseball"
Anyway this what i got so far.

Opening Day

On May 4th, 1871, the first game in professional baseball history was played between the Cleveland Forest Citys and Fort Wayne Kekiongas in a National Association game. It was a closely contested game with Cleveland edging Fort Wayne by a score of 5-4. The game was played at Grand Duchess and saw Ezra Sutton of the Cleveland Forest Citys emerge as the star of the game.

Sutton went 5-for-5, hitting two triples, two singles, and a two-run single in the ninth inning. He also scored a run and drove in two runs.
The game was not without its errors and mistakes, with both teams committing multiple errors. However, it was a historic game that set the stage for professional baseball to become one of America's favorite pastimes. The final score was Cleveland Forest Citys 5, Fort Wayne Kekiongas 4.

The inaugural season of the National Association of Professional Base Ball Players, which later became Major League Baseball, has come to a close. The Washington Olympics were the first-ever National Association champions, having defeated the Boston Red Stockings in the World Championship Series four games to three.
evi Meyerle of the Philadelphia Athletics took home three of the major awards, including the Babe Ruth MVP Award, Jackie Robinson Award, and Gold Glove Award for his outstanding performances at the plate and in the field. Al Spalding of the Boston Red Stockings won the Cy Young Award for his impressive 18-12 record, 2.99 ERA, and 6.2 WAR.

In the Silver Slugger Award, Al Pratt of the Cleveland Forest Citys won the award for pitchers, while Deacon White of the Chicago White Stockings, Joe Start of the New York Mutuals, Ross Barnes of the Boston Red Stockings, Davy Force of the Washington Olympics, Levi Meyerle of the Philadelphia Athletics, John Hatfield of the New York Mutuals, Count Sensenderfer of the Philadelphia Athletics, and Lip Pike of the Troy Haymakers were named the top hitters at their respective positions.

The league's top players included the likes of Meyerle, Force, and Sutton.

With the conclusion of the 1871 season, the National Association looks forward to many more seasons to come and the growth of the sport of baseball in the United States.
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Still needs work.
Doesn't really have that flow like when your reading a yearly recap.
Seems a little robotic
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Old 04-02-2023, 01:14 AM   #19
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Currently in the 1875 season.
Trying to get system on how and what way to post results and recaps.
Back tracking a bit to post the 1871 postseason recap.


National Association World Champion Series
BOSTON RED STOCKINGS AT WASHINGTON OLYMPICS
Game 1

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 2ND , 1871 - GAME LOG
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Boston Red Stockings 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 2 2 6 8 4
Washington Olympics 0 0 0 7 0 0 1 0 X 8 9 3



World Championship Series Game 1 Victory for Brainard and Washington
The Washington Olympics started the World Championship Series in style today, downing the visiting Boston Red Stockings at Olympics Grounds by a score of 8-6 to stake an early 1-0 lead in the best-of-7 series. Olympics right-hander Asa Brainard threw 9.0 innings of 8-hit ball.
Davy Force dealt the Red Stockings a blow in the bottom of the fourth. Batting with the bases loaded and Washington leading 4-0, Force, who finished 2nd in the NL in wins above replacement with 2.0 in 1871, hit a 1-1 fastball for a bases-clearing double.
"You never want to start a series with a loss, but I saw a lot of good things today," Red Stockings manager Harry Wright said. "I'm not worrying. Yet."
The next game is set to be played tomorrow at Olympics Grounds in Washington.


Game 2
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD , 1871

Boston Red Stockings 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 5 12
Washington Olympics 3 4 1 2 2 0 2 1 X 15 13 0

C Allison Lights Up Red Stockings for 7 RBIs as Olympics Extend Lead
Riding the 4-hit performance of catcher Doug Allison, the Washington Olympics stopped the visiting Boston Red Stockings, 15-2, in Game 2 of the World Championship Series today. Allison went 4 for 5 with a triple and 2 doubles. He scored 2 times and drove in 7 for the Olympics, who now lead the best-of-7 series, 2 games to 0.
Allison came through for Washington with a 2-run double in the bottom of the first. He hit a 1-1 curveball to left field, staking his team to a 2-0 lead.
"It feels good to get this one," Allison told the Washington Daily.
Game 3 is scheduled for Sunday at South End Grounds I in Boston.

Game 3
SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH , 1871

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Washington Olympics 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 2 1 7 13 4
Boston Red Stockings 0 0 2 3 1 0 1 0 1 8 14 4

Boston Wins at Home to Narrow Series Deficit to 2-1
Already down in the World Championship Series, the Boston Red Stockings put on their best show, beating the Washington Olympics by a final score of 8-7 today. George Hall was special. He went 4-5 with a triple and 3 singles, while scoring 2 times. Boston now trails Washington 2-1 in the best-of-7 affair.
The most significant at-bat for Boston came with a runner on 1st in the bottom of the ninth. Red Stockings first baseman Charlie Gould hit a double to win the game.
"It was a nice win for our side today," said Red Stockings manager Harry Wright. "Not perfect, but we'll take it."
The next game is set to be played tomorrow at South End Grounds I in Boston.

Game 4
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH , 1871
Washington Olympics 1 0 0 3 0 0 3 0 2 9 13 11
Boston Red Stockings 6 0 1 0 3 0 0 0 X 10 8 7

Red Stockings Clip Olympics 10-9 in WCS Contest
The Boston Red Stockings defeated the Washington Olympics, 10-9 in Game 4 of the World Championship Series today. Making an impact was first baseman Charlie Gould, who went 2-4 with a double, while scoring 2 runs and driving in 2. The win moves Boston into a 2-2 tie with Washington in the series.
Cal McVey dealt the Olympics a blow in the bottom of the first. Batting with runners on 1st and 2nd and Boston trailing 1-0, McVey hit a 0-1 fastball for a 2-run triple.
"I like our moxie," said Red Stockings manager Harry Wright.
The next game is set to be played tomorrow at South End Grounds I in Boston.

Game 5
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH , 1871
Host Red Stockings Drop Pivotal Game 5, Now Trail Series 3-2
With left fielder Henry Burroughs leading the charge, the Washington Olympics got past the Boston Red Stockings, 11-8, in extra innings in Game 5 of the World Championship Series today. Burroughs was 3-6 with a triple and a double. He scored 3 runs and drove in 3 at South End Grounds I as Washington managed to take a 3-2 lead in the best-of-7 series.
The game was all tied up in the top of the 12th, until Burroughs delivered big-time for Washington, stroking a dramatic 2-run triple off Al Spalding. The game-changing hit put the Olympics on top, 10-8.
"It was a nice win for our side today," said Olympics manager Nick Young. "Not perfect, but we'll take it."
The next game is set to be played for Thursday, November 9th , 1871 at Olympics Grounds in Washington.

Game 6
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH , 1871
Boston Red Stockings 0 3 0 0 0 1 0 0 5 9 15 5
Washington Olympics 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 2 8 11 6

Red Stockings Clip Olympics 9-8 in WCS Contest
The Boston Red Stockings and the Washington Olympics will take the World Championship Series to a decisive 7th game. In a must-win situation today, the Red Stockings beat the Olympics 9-8 at Olympics Grounds to force the series into what will essentially be a one-game playoff. Boston right-hander Al Spalding had a big role in the win. He threw 9.0 innings allowing 8 runs.
George Wright, who finished 3rd in the NL in extra base hits with 18 in 1871, aided the Boston cause with a 2-run triple in the top of the ninth. For the game, the shortstop was 1-5 with a triple, while adding 2 RBI and scoring once.
"It wasn't a pretty victory," said Wright, "but we got it done."
The next game is set to be played tomorrow at Olympics Grounds in Washington.

Game 7
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 10TH , 1871
Boston Red Stockings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 10 5
Washington Olympics 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 1 X 4 11 0

World Championship Series to Washington
A celebratory mood filled the air as the Washington Olympics closed out the season with a 4-3 victory over the Boston Red Stockings at Olympics Grounds to capture the World Championship Series, 4-3.
Giving the Red Stockings credit for a hard-fought series, Olympics players said they believed throughout the postseason that their "destiny" was to be crowned Major League Baseball champions.
"We felt like this was our year all season long," said catcher Doug Allison, who was named series MVP. "It was our destiny to win it and we did."
It was the 1st in franchise history. During the National Association regular season Washington put up a 19-13 record and finished first.
"They're the champions and they deserve it," said a dejected Boston manager Harry Wright. "We played good ball, they just played better than us."
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1871 post season stats.
Doug Allison was named the MVP of the series.
Wonder how long he will hold the record for postseason rbi.
All without a single home run.
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