Please, Please fix this

Jasper70 · 10-02-2024, 08:29 PM

A batter singling to center with a runner on first with both runners ending up in scoring position, game after game, needs to be fixed. I need to demote a GG CF because he loves his arm?
Any team and every player, even the White Sox or Rockies learn the lesson in the Minors that it is the trail runner you need to stop

dawg1isclear · 10-02-2024, 08:59 PM

forget minors, learned that in tee-ball...and you are right, overall, baserunning logic needs to be looked at...also, try posting this here...https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...lay.php?f=4056

Jasper70 · 10-02-2024, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dawg1isclear

forget minors, learned that in tee-ball...and you are right, overall, baserunning logic needs to be looked at...also, try posting this here...https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...lay.php?f=4056

Done

ayaghmour2 · 10-03-2024, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jasper70

A batter singling to center with a runner on first with both runners ending up in scoring position, game after game, needs to be fixed. I need to demote a GG CF because he loves his arm?
Any team and every player, even the White Sox or Rockies learn the lesson in the Minors that it is the trail runner you need to stop

This literally happened yesterday in the Mets/Brewers game. Jose Iglesias singled to right, Francisco Alvarez went to third. Throw went to third and Iglesias got to second. The same Brewers, mind you, who won the game and the NL Central this year

Top 2nd: https://www.mlb.com/gameday/mets-vs-...al/summary/all

It's really not that uncommon in the majors. I doubt this is a bug, you may just only be remembering times it happens or just some weird RNG that strung these events together. But no, every team and player doesn't always prevent the trail runner from going to second

Jasper70 · 10-03-2024, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ayaghmour2

This literally happened yesterday in the Mets/Brewers game. Jose Iglesias singled to right, Francisco Alvarez went to third. Throw went to third and Iglesias got to second. The same Brewers, mind you, who won the game and the NL Central this year

Top 2nd: https://www.mlb.com/gameday/mets-vs-...al/summary/all

It's really not that uncommon in the majors. I doubt this is a bug, you may just only be remembering times it happens or just some weird RNG that strung these events together. But no, every team and player doesn't always prevent the trail runner from going to second

In my games they do. My biggest complaint about it is there is no variation on the play. The runner always reaches 3rd and the trail runner always reaches 2nd. If you are telling me Arizona is going to challenge Brenton Doyle's (75 arm) with Ivan Melendez (Speed 35, Base running 30) with a turtle like Justin Turner as the trai runner in a 1-0 game in the 6th inning and it is successful 100% of the time then it is a bug.

mytreds · 10-03-2024, 04:19 PM

It might not be a bug, just a bit of code that is not coded into the game.

dawg1isclear · 10-03-2024, 04:29 PM

jes

Rain King · 10-03-2024, 04:47 PM

There are limited animation sequences and the animations don't have all of the information for the play. The game has the basic results it is trying to match (i.e. Single.1-3.B-1 or Single.1-3.B-2), but the game doesn't really know how often a throw happens as those results don't provide that information.

However, I imagine when programing animation sequences the game knows that for Single.1-3.B-2 to happen there was likely a throw and so in that case the throwing to 3B animation always occurs.

So, potentially, we could just be seeing a situation where a specific result (i.e. Single.1-3.B-2) always gets the same animation and maybe the alternative result (i.e. Single.1-3.B-1) rarely or never gets a throwing animation.

The question from a "bug" standpoint becomes whether the rate of results where the batter advances as the trailing runner on a single are too high....not whether they are advancing too often on a throw (because the game itself does not truly know how often a throw should happen...just how often runners advance and/or are thrown out). This, unfortunately, is very hard to determine based on the data the game currently provides.

ayaghmour2 · 10-04-2024, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasper70

In my games they do. My biggest complaint about it is there is no variation on the play. The runner always reaches 3rd and the trail runner always reaches 2nd. If you are telling me Arizona is going to challenge Brenton Doyle's (75 arm) with Ivan Melendez (Speed 35, Base running 30) with a turtle like Justin Turner as the trai runner in a 1-0 game in the 6th inning and it is successful 100% of the time then it is a bug.

Yeah I think the no variation is what was mentioned above, there are just limited animations. There may only be so many throwing animations. The slow runners could have advanced from a wide throw but I'm not sure the game has an animation for a wide throw that isn't an error

I know personally I've seen trail runners thrown out. Even to end innings sometimes. But this does seem to be far less common then both runners making it safely

10-02-2024, 08:29 PM	#1
Jasper70 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2023 Posts: 159	Please, Please fix this A batter singling to center with a runner on first with both runners ending up in scoring position, game after game, needs to be fixed. I need to demote a GG CF because he loves his arm? Any team and every player, even the White Sox or Rockies learn the lesson in the Minors that it is the trail runner you need to stop

10-02-2024, 08:59 PM	#2
dawg1isclear Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2024 Location: on a blue marble... Posts: 466	forget minors, learned that in tee-ball...and you are right, overall, baserunning logic needs to be looked at...also, try posting this here...https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...lay.php?f=4056 Last edited by dawg1isclear; 10-02-2024 at 09:09 PM.

10-03-2024, 04:19 PM	#6
mytreds All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2019 Posts: 1,182	It might not be a bug, just a bit of code that is not coded into the game. __________________ “Baseball isn’t statistics; it’s Joe DiMaggio rounding second.” “Once, centuries ago, it was the beloved national pastime of the Americas, Wesley. Abandoned by a society that prized fast food and faster games. Lost to impatience.” “ The term ‘WAR’ should be replaced by ‘WAG’. WAR isn’t an actual measurement; it’s just a wild-ass guess” -Bill James RIP National League 1876-2022 Floreat semper vel invita morte. I make custom ballparks.

10-03-2024, 04:29 PM	#7
dawg1isclear Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2024 Location: on a blue marble... Posts: 466	jes

10-03-2024, 04:47 PM	#8
Rain King Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,121 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	There are limited animation sequences and the animations don't have all of the information for the play. The game has the basic results it is trying to match (i.e. Single.1-3.B-1 or Single.1-3.B-2), but the game doesn't really know how often a throw happens as those results don't provide that information. However, I imagine when programing animation sequences the game knows that for Single.1-3.B-2 to happen there was likely a throw and so in that case the throwing to 3B animation always occurs. So, potentially, we could just be seeing a situation where a specific result (i.e. Single.1-3.B-2) always gets the same animation and maybe the alternative result (i.e. Single.1-3.B-1) rarely or never gets a throwing animation. The question from a "bug" standpoint becomes whether the rate of results where the batter advances as the trailing runner on a single are too high....not whether they are advancing too often on a throw (because the game itself does not truly know how often a throw should happen...just how often runners advance and/or are thrown out). This, unfortunately, is very hard to determine based on the data the game currently provides.