This is BS!!!!

[ravinhood]

Talking contracts with my closer in the middle of the season and I wanted to sign him early before the prices go up. So we settle on a 1yr $11,000,000 deal. The very next day he gets smacked by a ball in the elbow and is out for a year with Tommy John Surgery. There should be a clause in contracts within 90 days of signings or say if something happens and that pitcher can't pitch then the contracts become null and void. I'm out this years 1/2 salary and next years 1/2 salary while he sits back on his duff and collects for doing nothing. This is highway robbery to a team owner. Something should be done about it. You don't play you don't get paid is my motto. Unions are a ripoff.

Prince Fielder is doing basically this very thing to the Texas Rangers getting hurt and out for the better part of the year with some silly injury like a hang nail. lol. Now, Yu Darvish is doing it to us. This is not fair to the owners of baseball and something should be done about it in contracts or clauses made if you don't play you don't get paid your full contract salary. Just survival money until you come back and play. Or at least just minor league money that they get for being on the 40 man roster.

I'm so sick of players feel they have this entitlement just because they have a contract. If they can't fulfill their side of the contract it should become null and void with other conditions and terms for injuries.

How can I go back and delete this injury? I'll fix him. lol Frickin injuries are too high with this classic settings so I went back one level to low and still getting ridiculous injury numbers. Half my Rangers team is on the Disable list. Wow just like in real baseball huh? lol I recently set it back to very low and hopefully will only have to deal with 1 or 2 injuries for a few weeks in the year.

[hfield007]

i always find half the problem is people downplay in their mind just how many baseball injuries there are in a season.

Some years I get smashed with it and others I make it through nearly untouched. Usually one way to help is during spring training I always set my depth charts so that each position has a new starter every day in 3 day cycles to cut down on overuse so i don't get bit hard before the real games start.

Honestly on low barely anyone gets hit.

I also went in and manually adjusted some of the injury length times and how common some of the longer ones were. (Greatest part of this franchise is how easy to customize everything it is).

But if you hate it that much turn on commissioner mode and edit the player to remove the injury.

[Honorable_Pawn]

[RchW]

This probably belongs in OT. Why so angry at fantasy and real life.

And since you posted it, unions are not a ripoff. They are likely responsible for some of the benefits you enjoy today.

As for the solution. Go into commissioner mode and edit away. It's not real life.

[DustinthePOWERHOUSE]

Originally Posted by RchW

This probably belongs in OT. Why so angry at fantasy and real life.

And since you posted it, unions are not a ripoff. They are likely responsible for some of the benefits you enjoy today.

As for the solution. Go into commissioner mode and edit away. It's not real life.

I liked this strictly because of your support of unions.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by ravinhood

There should be a clause in contracts within 90 days of signings or say if something happens and that pitcher can't pitch then the contracts become null and void.

I'm sure that would violate the collective bargaining agreement. In real life, though, this sort of situation would be handled by the team's insurance policy, so the club wouldn't actually be stuck with the entire $11 million bill for a pitcher who can't pitch. Of course, that's not something that is handled in OOTP. I'm sure there are those who would want that option, but there are others who would rather play OOTP as a baseball simulation than as an accounting simulation.

[Doc_Brown]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

I'm sure that would violate the collective bargaining agreement. In real life, though, this sort of situation would be handled by the team's insurance policy, so the club wouldn't actually be stuck with the entire $11 million bill for a pitcher who can't pitch. Of course, that's not something that is handled in OOTP. I'm sure there are those who would want that option, but there are others who would rather play OOTP as a baseball simulation than as an accounting simulation.

That's the new game OOTP are doing after FHM and BTS are released.

[joefromchicago]

Originally Posted by Doc_Brown

That's the new game OOTP are doing after FHM and BTS are released.

BTS = Beyond the Spreadsheet

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by hfield007

i always find half the problem is people downplay in their mind just how many baseball injuries there are in a season.

Some years I get smashed with it and others I make it through nearly untouched. Usually one way to help is during spring training I always set my depth charts so that each position has a new starter every day in 3 day cycles to cut down on overuse so i don't get bit hard before the real games start.

Honestly on low barely anyone gets hit.

I also went in and manually adjusted some of the injury length times and how common some of the longer ones were. (Greatest part of this franchise is how easy to customize everything it is).

But if you hate it that much turn on commissioner mode and edit the player to remove the injury.

Exactly. I find it so annoying to hear people immediately say that injuries are too high when they have more than one player on the DL.

[BradC]

I've talked to Sebastian and Markus about this, and they've said that on the normal setting, injuries in the game are still lower than real life. We do have data we can base it on, after all.

I find injuries frustrating too, but, like others pointed out, many people probably don't realize how often they happen in real life.

I can only imagine that if the Stroman injury happened in someone's game, they'd be on here ranting about how ridiculous the game is.

Also, I love the beginning of this interview I did with a sports radio guy, Peter Burns, who loves OOTP. He talks about losing Nolan Ryan to a career-ending injury: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...rfect-fit.html

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

I'm sure that would violate the collective bargaining agreement.

That is collectively bargained, too.

Schedule A Uniform Player's Contract

4.(b) The Player represents that he has no physical or mental defects
known to him and unknown to the appropriate representative of the
Club which would prevent or impair performance of his services.

There's also some stuff in the main body of the CBA (which goes on and on...) The short version is that the player has a guaranteed contract. Teams protect themselves with making the player pass a physical before closing the deal. It's stuff like this that helps me rationalize an on-screen injury rating.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by BradC

I can only imagine that if the Stroman injury happened in someone's game, they'd be on here ranting about how ridiculous the game is.

Here is the butcher's bill as of today for MLB: http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/injuries

There are already 6 season ending injuries, and 135 injuries listed.

[Matt Arnold]

I've had teams suffer through having 6 of my top 7 starters on the DL at the same time, or this last season I think I had 6 guys who I had pegged for my opening day lineup hurt at the same time.

And it sucks, but you look at real life and we're a week into spring training and the Jays lost Stroman for the season, Saunders for 6-8 weeks, Encarnacion is out for a week, Cecil is still nursing an injury, Bautista missed a couple games. Stuff happens. You just have to build a team to deal with it, and know that some years you're going to need 9 starting pitchers.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

BTS = Beyond the Spreadsheet

[ravinhood]

The real complaint of my post is that this pitcher got a season ending disability the very next day after the next season contract was signed. I was more concerned with some 90 day or 30 day or something clause that would protect my $11,000,000 for at least a little while after a contract was signed. I do think that is fair. If it's in real baseball (insurance) then it should be in OOTP

I do suffer injuries all the time and of course as you can see I hate em. I just don't remember so many like this in real baseball when I was growing up with the 61 yankees and the 75 reds and I think the dodgers. (which team was pee wee reese on and don drysdale?) I guess back then I just didn't notice them as much as I do now as it seems half the league in on the disabled list in baseball nowadays.

[NCBeachBum]

Part of the difference in perspective between now and the past is that quite a bit of stuff that is now a long stay on the disabled list used to just be a career ender.

[BusterKing]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I've had teams suffer through having 6 of my top 7 starters on the DL at the same time, or this last season I think I had 6 guys who I had pegged for my opening day lineup hurt at the same time.

And it sucks, but you look at real life and we're a week into spring training and the Jays lost Stroman for the season, Saunders for 6-8 weeks, Encarnacion is out for a week, Cecil is still nursing an injury, Bautista missed a couple games. Stuff happens. You just have to build a team to deal with it, and know that some years you're going to need 9 starting pitchers.

You better not have programmed my Jays to be like that in OOTP16 or you and I will have a talk.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I've had teams suffer through having 6 of my top 7 starters on the DL at the same time, or this last season I think I had 6 guys who I had pegged for my opening day lineup hurt at the same time.

And it sucks, but you look at real life and we're a week into spring training and the Jays lost Stroman for the season, Saunders for 6-8 weeks, Encarnacion is out for a week, Cecil is still nursing an injury, Bautista missed a couple games. Stuff happens. You just have to build a team to deal with it, and know that some years you're going to need 9 starting pitchers.

Exactly, It takes a strong 40 man roster to win in this league.

I don't have access to the developer's data, but here are some articles that talk about the number of injuries teams deal with each year.

I play on High(realistic setting) and my only complaint is that there are not enough nagging injuries. It seems like the players are either 100% healthy or out for 4 weeks

2014 Disabled List Information and So Much More ? The Hardball Times

Stats and facts about baseball injuries

[frangipard]

Originally Posted by ravinhood

The real complaint of my post is that this pitcher got a season ending disability the very next day after the next season contract was signed. I was more concerned with some 90 day or 30 day or something clause that would protect my $11,000,000 for at least a little while after a contract was signed. I do think that is fair. If it's in real baseball (insurance) then it should be in OOTP

I do suffer injuries all the time and of course as you can see I hate em. I just don't remember so many like this in real baseball when I was growing up with the 61 yankees and the 75 reds and I think the dodgers. (which team was pee wee reese on and don drysdale?) I guess back then I just didn't notice them as much as I do now as it seems half the league in on the disabled list in baseball nowadays.

You do realize that inevitably, someone's going to get injured 31 or 91 days after you sign a contract, right?

Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

Part of the difference in perspective between now and the past is that quite a bit of stuff that is now a long stay on the disabled list used to just be a career ender.

Bingo.

Koufax would have spent more time on the DL, but he would have pitched 5-10 years longer instead of being done at 30. Same with Drysdale being done at 31.

From the 75 Reds team: Gary Nolan was done at 29, Don Gullett at 27, Pat Darcy at 26, Clay Kirby at 29, Rawly Eastwick at 30, Pedro Borbon at 33, and Will McEnaney at 27.

It makes me wonder if the historical sims are set up to have enough career-ending injuries.

[Leo_The_Lip]

Man up, you panty-waste and play with injuries on the highest setting! Don't whine like a vegan in a McDonald's.