Minor Playoff Bug

stattosoftware · 06-02-2006, 04:25 AM

Hi,

I'm running a league with two subleagues. Subleague-1 has 2 divisions (6 teams), Subleague-2 has 1 division (4 teams). Division winners only.

Come playoff time, the only playoff series run is between SL-1 Division winners. Whoever wins that wins the whole thing. There is no World Series with the winner of the 1-division league, affecting one team's repeat chances, which isn't a big deal for me right now at least.

Thanks

Le Grande Orange · 06-02-2006, 04:27 AM

Both sub-leagues need to have the same number of divisions in order for the playoffs to work properly.

stattosoftware · 06-02-2006, 04:36 AM

So is this not a 'bug' then because it's known? I'm just curious as giving a team a bye to the next round seems elementary.

OakDragon · 06-02-2006, 04:42 AM

This has got me bewildered. Now, I haven't played the game yet (I'm awaiting the Mac version), but am I correct in understanding the game allows you to set odd numbers of divisions and then have playoffs... only to have them not work properly because of the division setup?

stattosoftware · 06-02-2006, 04:45 AM

That is correct. I hope this is fixed.

OakDragon · 06-02-2006, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stattosoftware

That is correct. I hope this is fixed.

Goodness gracious! Seems like the error handling routines need a bit of a once over. I can see one reason why so many bugs may be popping up.

Le Grande Orange · 06-02-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stattosoftware

So is this not a 'bug' then because it's known? I'm just curious as giving a team a bye to the next round seems elementary.

It seems simple enough but the coding is actually rather involved for the playoff routines. When I requested the Shaughnessy playoff format be included, Markus said that adding that, which seems like a simple enough change, would actually take a solid day's worth of coding.

The playoffs at present cannot handle bye scenarios. You must always have an even number of teams in the playoffs, and that number, after four, must be in powers of four. That means the playoffs must have 2, 4, 8, 16, etc. contesting teams.

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Originally Posted by OakDragon

This has got me bewildered. Now, I haven't played the game yet (I'm awaiting the Mac version), but am I correct in understanding the game allows you to set odd numbers of divisions and then have playoffs... only to have them not work properly because of the division setup?

No, you're misunderstading the situation.

In order for playoffs to work properly when you have two sub-leagues, both sub-leagues must contain the same number of divisions. In other words, if both sub-leagues have two divisions, no problem. If both have three divisions, no problem. If both have seven divisions, no problem.

But if you have one sub-league with two divisions and the other with three divisions, the playoffs won't work correctly. If you have one sub-league with two divisions and the other with only one division (as the initial post described), the playoffs won't work correctly. The current version of the game was not set up to handle that sort of imbalance in the structure between sub-leagues.

OakDragon · 06-02-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

If you have one sub-league with two divisions and the other with only one division (as the initial post described), the playoffs won't work correctly. The current version of the game was not set up to handle that sort of imbalance in the structure between sub-leagues.

I understand that, but is there some sort of error handling that puts out a message to the effect of either: "You need to have the same number of divisions in each subleague. Please add or subtract divisions so they are evenly distributed." or: "WARNING: Playoffs will only be made for subleague X (because it has an even number of divisions). Are you sure you want to continue? Y/N" and then won't let the user continue until one of these conditions is met?

Le Grande Orange · 06-02-2006, 07:34 PM

At the very least, mention of it should go into the Game Guide and/or Customization Guide.

While a warning message would be good too, there are probably other fixes which take priority at the moment. So "spreading the knowledge" so to speak is the best option for now.

OakDragon · 06-02-2006, 07:46 PM

Oh, I understand that. It's just that, as a general programming rule of thumb, it's best to include these error handling routines whereever possible. I was hoping they were used robustly in OOTP. It helps prevent alot of bugs.

gmo · 06-02-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stattosoftware

I'm running a league with two subleagues. Subleague-1 has 2 divisions (6 teams), Subleague-2 has 1 division (4 teams). Division winners only.

Did you create the league with this configuration from the beginning, or did you create it with the same # of divisions in each subleague then delete one of the divisions?

06-02-2006, 04:25 AM	#1
stattosoftware Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 24	Minor Playoff Bug Hi, I'm running a league with two subleagues. Subleague-1 has 2 divisions (6 teams), Subleague-2 has 1 division (4 teams). Division winners only. Come playoff time, the only playoff series run is between SL-1 Division winners. Whoever wins that wins the whole thing. There is no World Series with the winner of the 1-division league, affecting one team's repeat chances, which isn't a big deal for me right now at least. Thanks

06-02-2006, 04:27 AM	#2
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	Both sub-leagues need to have the same number of divisions in order for the playoffs to work properly.

06-02-2006, 04:36 AM	#3
stattosoftware Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 24	So is this not a 'bug' then because it's known? I'm just curious as giving a team a bye to the next round seems elementary.

06-02-2006, 04:42 AM	#4
OakDragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 3,494	This has got me bewildered. Now, I haven't played the game yet (I'm awaiting the Mac version), but am I correct in understanding the game allows you to set odd numbers of divisions and then have playoffs... only to have them not work properly because of the division setup?

06-02-2006, 04:45 AM	#5
stattosoftware Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 24	That is correct. I hope this is fixed.

06-02-2006, 07:34 PM	#9
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	At the very least, mention of it should go into the Game Guide and/or Customization Guide. While a warning message would be good too, there are probably other fixes which take priority at the moment. So "spreading the knowledge" so to speak is the best option for now.

06-02-2006, 07:46 PM	#10
OakDragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Jose, CA USA Posts: 3,494	Oh, I understand that. It's just that, as a general programming rule of thumb, it's best to include these error handling routines whereever possible. I was hoping they were used robustly in OOTP. It helps prevent alot of bugs.