New York Ball Teams

Twelvefield · 06-01-2006, 05:12 PM

In the default American baseball league, the abbreviations for the New York American & National league teams are NYY and NYM, respectively. I think I know what the Y & the M stand for. As an avowed Yankee-hater, I'm not thrilled to see this. Should the abbreviations not be NYA & NYN? I changed them myself, but I wouldn't mind seeing this be addressed.

Cras · 06-01-2006, 05:27 PM

Yet the Chicago and LA teams are CHA, CHN and LAA and LAN. West Coast bias!

Twelvefield · 06-03-2006, 05:08 PM

Self bump.

Twelvefield · 06-06-2006, 01:53 PM

Another self bump! If Mc and Mac can get fixed, why not this? I've been starting several new leagues, and this keeps cropping up.

Mattymo · 06-06-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

Another self bump! If Mc and Mac can get fixed, why not this? I've been starting several new leagues, and this keeps cropping up.

I see your point, but I don't get why it matters?

Tiger Fan · 06-06-2006, 03:23 PM

I assume they are listed that way just out of compatibility with the Lahman database for historical leagues.

jbsnadb · 06-06-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

Another self bump! If Mc and Mac can get fixed, why not this? I've been starting several new leagues, and this keeps cropping up.

With all do respect, there a difference in editing TWO abbreviations for the two New York teams, and editing EVRY SINGLE ONE of the Mc's Mac's and O's that are in the player database.

Twelvefield · 06-07-2006, 02:12 AM

I've editted more NYY and NYM than I have Mc and Mac, so far, so that's why I want to see this fixed. It's been maybe a dozen times, now. I don't like the Yankees at all, and I play my fictional universes without them.

The trouble I am finding is that there's one setting or another that I like that after a few turns of simming ends up being wrong for what I want, so I have to start over. Then, I forget to reset the damned Yankees, and I end up starting again.

JB, I'm not trying to get your nose out of joint. You seem real angry at me, and I don't want that. For one thing, your typing gets all hard to read, so peace? I just want to see this one little bit of the game get fixed, same as you.

To quote battists:

"If your question has gone unacknowledged, and has slipped off the first page, feel free to give it a gentle bump."

And that's what I am doing until I get some official answer.

jbsnadb · 06-07-2006, 02:41 AM

I'm not out of joint, and I truly meant "with all due respect" preceding my comment. I actually am glad it reads NYY and NYM, since this is something I always corrected in past versions (of course, teams never had names) but I agree that when your team is the New York Comets that NYY is more than a bit silly.

AND, I agree that the Los Angeles teams should be LAD and LAA, and CHC and CWS for Chicago. Meanwhile, why isn;t Florida FLA, a more common abbreviation of Florida.

BTW, my response to you gave it a bump as well.

thomamon · 06-07-2006, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

I've editted more NYY and NYM than I have Mc and Mac, so far, so that's why I want to see this fixed. It's been maybe a dozen times, now. I don't like the Yankees at all, and I play my fictional universes without them.

The trouble I am finding is that there's one setting or another that I like that after a few turns of simming ends up being wrong for what I want, so I have to start over. Then, I forget to reset the damned Yankees, and I end up starting again.

JB, I'm not trying to get your nose out of joint. You seem real angry at me, and I don't want that. For one thing, your typing gets all hard to read, so peace? I just want to see this one little bit of the game get fixed, same as you.

To quote battists:

"If your question has gone unacknowledged, and has slipped off the first page, feel free to give it a gentle bump."

And that's what I am doing until I get some official answer.

I actually find your hatred for the Yankees quite amusing and the fact that it bothers you this much, lol!

Twelvefield · 06-07-2006, 05:48 AM

Yes, you and the rest of the Eastern seaboard, I would guess.

I just have yet to find anything Yankee that's even remotely loveable (maybe Lou Gehrig is the lone exception, although I don't really love the guy, just respect his grit and determination, and I did like his film, well, him and Luis Sojo, whose minor league career I was able to follow personally for some years, although Gehrig and Sojo are in completely different classes), and it's something of a joy to not have any Yankees thoughout the history of baseball be employed as anything more than ill-used, low-paid mop-&-bucket men in my universe.

"Jeter, stop that lolly-gagging, and get to work on that vomit on aisle three!"

"Yes, sir, Mr. Twelvefield, sir!"

Raidergoo · 06-07-2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

Yes, you and the rest of the Eastern seaboard, I would guess.

Edit cities.txt by the latitude field. Find out where the Maine cities start, and delete cells until you hit Mississippi.

Presto! No more Eastern seabord!

Twelvefield · 06-07-2006, 02:12 PM

Oh, man, I feel a big Dr. Evil moment coming on here...

treedom · 06-07-2006, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

Yes, you and the rest of the Eastern seaboard, I would guess.

I just have yet to find anything Yankee that's even remotely loveable (maybe Lou Gehrig is the lone exception, although I don't really love the guy, just respect his grit and determination, and I did like his film, well, him and Luis Sojo, whose minor league career I was able to follow personally for some years, although Gehrig and Sojo are in completely different classes), and it's something of a joy to not have any Yankees thoughout the history of baseball be employed as anything more than ill-used, low-paid mop-&-bucket men in my universe.

"Jeter, stop that lolly-gagging, and get to work on that vomit on aisle three!"

"Yes, sir, Mr. Twelvefield, sir!"

roffle!

Oh man, that's some hardcore Yankee hatin' right there!

bulldog55 · 06-07-2006, 02:22 PM

What exactly did the Yankees do to you? They make more money than any other team in the league. They operate in the heart of the largest market in the country. They are far and away the most storied franchise in the history of major American sports and even without their vast market, they have the resulting fanbase to support such huge payrolls. The league has no salary cap. The league does, however, have a luxury tax. The Yankees choose to pay that tax, which gets redistributed to the other teams in the league, because they can afford such a luxury.

Why isn't this hatred leveled at the MLB front office? What are the Yankees doing wrong, besides making you wish your team had their resources? They are operating within the rules, rules that penalise them for having so much money to spend.

Mad Jackal · 06-07-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bulldog55

What exactly did the Yankees do to you? They make more money than any other team in the league. They operate in the heart of the largest market in the country. They are far and away the most storied franchise in the history of major American sports and even without their vast market, they have the resulting fanbase to support such huge payrolls. The league has no salary cap. The league does, however, have a luxury tax. The Yankees choose to pay that tax, which gets redistributed to the other teams in the league, because they can afford such a luxury.

Why isn't this hatred leveled at the MLB front office? What are the Yankees doing wrong, besides making you wish your team had their resources? They are operating within the rules, rules that penalise them for having so much money to spend.

Maybe it's the pinstipes ?

On a serious note though.

I was thinking that editing the city file on your own machine would fix Abbreviations wouldn't it I mean aren't the abbreviations just in there next to each city in the editable file ? I can't believe that some--one would have hard coded abbreviations to go with citites that could be edited.

I have my own complaints about certain Abbreviations used and was planning on doing that.

My computer is in the shop right now, so I can't check it out.....(or play

)

Twelvefield · 06-07-2006, 07:49 PM

Well, now that you mentioned it, Bud Selig isn't much higher on my list of heroes, stuck somewhere between slimeball used car salesman and cranky dental hygenist.

As for hating the Yankees, if it makes you feel better, I will change my outlook towards them to a complete lack of love coupled with antipathy. Not that I would wish upon any of them any real personal harm, mind you... I still get a little choked up when I think of Thurman Munson who died so young and full of potential... but come-uppance for the Yankees I don't mind seeing one bit.

I never thought of editting the city file, that's a very good idea to try.

I've had Yankee-free baseball universes, and ones with the Yankees in them. Because I prefer to do an inaugural draft, usually the fictional Yankees are no better than anyone else. It was only just very recently that I discovered that previous OOTPB's used "faked" players to approximate real MLB players who cannot be named. So, "Jerek Dieter" still would have been a powerful force on any team in any other OOTPB 'verse but mine.

battists · 06-08-2006, 10:50 AM

Twelvefield, I'm afraid I don't think we can do anything about this. It seems to be a preference more than anything. I'm sure if we changed it, we'd get plenty of people saying "Why is this defaulting to 'NYA', it's just one more step I have to take to make it 'NYY'!"

Granted, this is just my opinion, but I think it's somewhat more likely that most people playing a MLB-style league would prefer NYY, as that seems to be the standard used on ESPN, and most other newspapers. There are probably more people out there that either want NYY, or don't care either way, than there are people who hate the Yankees as much as you do.

I'm sorry if that wasn't the answer that you wanted to hear...

Twelvefield · 06-08-2006, 01:00 PM

I was looking for an answer, for better or worse, so thank you. Booze and drugs might help me get over this shock, though.

I'm going to try to edit the city file, and see what that does.

Thus endeth the thread.

Mad Jackal · 06-08-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by battists

Twelvefield, I'm afraid I don't think we can do anything about this. It seems to be a preference more than anything. I'm sure if we changed it, we'd get plenty of people saying "Why is this defaulting to 'NYA', it's just one more step I have to take to make it 'NYY'!"

Granted, this is just my opinion, but I think it's somewhat more likely that most people playing a MLB-style league would prefer NYY, as that seems to be the standard used on ESPN, and most other newspapers. There are probably more people out there that either want NYY, or don't care either way, than there are people who hate the Yankees as much as you do.

I'm sorry if that wasn't the answer that you wanted to hear...

Oh I agree the thing should be left alone by the powers that be.. (You could not please everyone) but

battist, the answer I was hoping for was "yes you can solve it yourself by editing "NYY to NYA" in XYZ location one time" or "No, the only place to edit it, is in each league with each team, everytime it comes up."

-which ever it is that is true would be great to know.
thanks.

06-01-2006, 05:12 PM	#1
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	New York Ball Teams In the default American baseball league, the abbreviations for the New York American & National league teams are NYY and NYM, respectively. I think I know what the Y & the M stand for. As an avowed Yankee-hater, I'm not thrilled to see this. Should the abbreviations not be NYA & NYN? I changed them myself, but I wouldn't mind seeing this be addressed.

06-01-2006, 05:27 PM	#2
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	Yet the Chicago and LA teams are CHA, CHN and LAA and LAN. West Coast bias! __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

06-06-2006, 03:23 PM	#6
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06-07-2006, 02:22 PM	#15
bulldog55 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California's Canada Warnings: 17 Posts: 2,479	What exactly did the Yankees do to you? They make more money than any other team in the league. They operate in the heart of the largest market in the country. They are far and away the most storied franchise in the history of major American sports and even without their vast market, they have the resulting fanbase to support such huge payrolls. The league has no salary cap. The league does, however, have a luxury tax. The Yankees choose to pay that tax, which gets redistributed to the other teams in the league, because they can afford such a luxury. Why isn't this hatred leveled at the MLB front office? What are the Yankees doing wrong, besides making you wish your team had their resources? They are operating within the rules, rules that penalise them for having so much money to spend. __________________ Commissioner, Trans-Continental Base Ball Association Owner/GM, Los Angeles Electrics (TCBA), Beaverton Rangers (OTBL), Portland Mavericks (Union League), and Los Angeles Superbas (Century League) Being smart, don't always make you popular.

06-03-2006, 05:08 PM	#3
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Self bump.

06-06-2006, 01:53 PM	#4
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Another self bump! If Mc and Mac can get fixed, why not this? I've been starting several new leagues, and this keeps cropping up.

06-07-2006, 02:12 AM	#8
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	I've editted more NYY and NYM than I have Mc and Mac, so far, so that's why I want to see this fixed. It's been maybe a dozen times, now. I don't like the Yankees at all, and I play my fictional universes without them. The trouble I am finding is that there's one setting or another that I like that after a few turns of simming ends up being wrong for what I want, so I have to start over. Then, I forget to reset the damned Yankees, and I end up starting again. JB, I'm not trying to get your nose out of joint. You seem real angry at me, and I don't want that. For one thing, your typing gets all hard to read, so peace? I just want to see this one little bit of the game get fixed, same as you. To quote battists: "If your question has gone unacknowledged, and has slipped off the first page, feel free to give it a gentle bump." And that's what I am doing until I get some official answer.

06-07-2006, 02:41 AM	#9
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	I'm not out of joint, and I truly meant "with all due respect" preceding my comment. I actually am glad it reads NYY and NYM, since this is something I always corrected in past versions (of course, teams never had names) but I agree that when your team is the New York Comets that NYY is more than a bit silly. AND, I agree that the Los Angeles teams should be LAD and LAA, and CHC and CWS for Chicago. Meanwhile, why isn;t Florida FLA, a more common abbreviation of Florida. BTW, my response to you gave it a bump as well.

06-07-2006, 05:48 AM	#11
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Yes, you and the rest of the Eastern seaboard, I would guess. I just have yet to find anything Yankee that's even remotely loveable (maybe Lou Gehrig is the lone exception, although I don't really love the guy, just respect his grit and determination, and I did like his film, well, him and Luis Sojo, whose minor league career I was able to follow personally for some years, although Gehrig and Sojo are in completely different classes), and it's something of a joy to not have any Yankees thoughout the history of baseball be employed as anything more than ill-used, low-paid mop-&-bucket men in my universe. "Jeter, stop that lolly-gagging, and get to work on that vomit on aisle three!" "Yes, sir, Mr. Twelvefield, sir!"

06-07-2006, 02:12 PM	#13
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Oh, man, I feel a big Dr. Evil moment coming on here...

06-07-2006, 07:49 PM	#17
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	Well, now that you mentioned it, Bud Selig isn't much higher on my list of heroes, stuck somewhere between slimeball used car salesman and cranky dental hygenist. As for hating the Yankees, if it makes you feel better, I will change my outlook towards them to a complete lack of love coupled with antipathy. Not that I would wish upon any of them any real personal harm, mind you... I still get a little choked up when I think of Thurman Munson who died so young and full of potential... but come-uppance for the Yankees I don't mind seeing one bit. I never thought of editting the city file, that's a very good idea to try. I've had Yankee-free baseball universes, and ones with the Yankees in them. Because I prefer to do an inaugural draft, usually the fictional Yankees are no better than anyone else. It was only just very recently that I discovered that previous OOTPB's used "faked" players to approximate real MLB players who cannot be named. So, "Jerek Dieter" still would have been a powerful force on any team in any other OOTPB 'verse but mine.

06-08-2006, 10:50 AM	#18
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Twelvefield, I'm afraid I don't think we can do anything about this. It seems to be a preference more than anything. I'm sure if we changed it, we'd get plenty of people saying "Why is this defaulting to 'NYA', it's just one more step I have to take to make it 'NYY'!" Granted, this is just my opinion, but I think it's somewhat more likely that most people playing a MLB-style league would prefer NYY, as that seems to be the standard used on ESPN, and most other newspapers. There are probably more people out there that either want NYY, or don't care either way, than there are people who hate the Yankees as much as you do. I'm sorry if that wasn't the answer that you wanted to hear...

06-08-2006, 01:00 PM	#19
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	I was looking for an answer, for better or worse, so thank you. Booze and drugs might help me get over this shock, though. I'm going to try to edit the city file, and see what that does. Thus endeth the thread.