HUGE AI ERROR! No One Would make this mistake IRL

[david limbaugh]

4-4 Tie - Bottom of the Ninth:

Batting: RHB B. Young 0-0: SINGLE (Groundball, 56D)
Batting: LHB P. Cagide 0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Called Strike
2-1: SINGLE (Groundball, 34)
B. Young to second
Runner from 2nd tries for 3rd, SAFE, no throw or cutoff
Pitching: LHP S. Napper
Batting: RHB R. Viniegra 0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Swinging Strike
0-2: Grounds into double-play, 4-6-3 (Groundball, 4)
B. Young scores


Do You See the HUGE AI Error????

[KurtBevacqua]

You would also say IRL no OF would toss the ball into the stands with runners on base after catching the second out. You say no one would do this IRL, but I bet it's happened.

[bleach168]

I see it. The bottom of the 9th inning AI needs serious work.

In one of my games, in the bottom of the 9th, I had a baserunner needlessly try to take 3rd when my team was down by 3 runs. He got thrown out. That killed my rally. I figured maybe his intelligence is low and I look and it's 84 out of 100. Either you give us the 6.5 option of managing the baserunners or you make the baserunning AI much smarter. Currently, it can get pretty frustrating.

[domonas]

Originally Posted by david limbaugh

4-4 Tie - Bottom of the Ninth:

Batting: RHB B. Young 0-0: SINGLE (Groundball, 56D)
Batting: LHB P. Cagide 0-0: Ball
1-0: Ball
2-0: Called Strike
2-1: SINGLE (Groundball, 34)
B. Young to second
Runner from 2nd tries for 3rd, SAFE, no throw or cutoff
Pitching: LHP S. Napper
Batting: RHB R. Viniegra 0-0: Called Strike
0-1: Swinging Strike
0-2: Grounds into double-play, 4-6-3 (Groundball, 4)
B. Young scores


Do You See the HUGE AI Error????

You're right. No manager would ever turn a double play with no outs in the bottom of the 9th with the winning run on 3rd base. Definite AI error.

[Joshv02]

IIRC, this is an AI issue from prior versions.

[jnshmoo]

Originally Posted by domonas

You're right. No manager would ever turn a double play with no outs in the bottom of the 9th with the winning run on 3rd base. Definite AI error.

I totally agree. I don't think I've ever seen a manager run onto the field to participate in the play before.

[GMahler]

Originally Posted by bleach168

I see it. The bottom of the 9th inning AI needs serious work.

In one of my games, in the bottom of the 9th, I had a baserunner needlessly try to take 3rd when my team was down by 3 runs. He got thrown out. That killed my rally. I figured maybe his intelligence is low and I look and it's 84 out of 100. Either you give us the 6.5 option of managing the baserunners or you make the baserunning AI much smarter. Currently, it can get pretty frustrating.

Babe Ruth was thrown out stealing 2nd in the 9th inning when the Yankees were behind agianst the Cardinals...It cost them the game and World series!

So these things do indeed happen. I would not want to see such plays removed but they need to be rare.

[OakDragon]

I don't see the error. It's called aggressive baseball. Some players/teams are like that. What were the team's strategy settings?

[Erithtotl]

Originally Posted by OakDragon

I don't see the error. It's called aggressive baseball. Some players/teams are like that. What were the team's strategy settings?

Stealing down by 3 is not the issue of this thread though, I think we'd want to keep focused on the obvious error in the original post.

[Bishop]

Originally Posted by Erithtotl

Stealing down by 3 is not the issue of this thread though, I think we'd want to keep focused on the obvious error in the original post.

Or find out if it happens often, or is simply a rare occurance.

[Another Mike D]

Most of the comments in this thread should be framed for silliness. This is a well known error that has happened over multiple versions. The computer should not allow the winning run to score in order to turn a no-out double play. But please, let's have some examples of guys tossing balls into the stands with one out and people getting caught stealing home in the 8th inning.

[Joshv02]

let's have some examples of guys tossing balls into the stands with one out and people getting caught stealing home in the 8th inning.

Two or three years ago Trot Nixon threw the ball into the stands with less than 3 outs and a man on base.

:2outs:

[OakDragon]

Originally Posted by Another Mike D

The computer should not allow the winning run to score in order to turn a no-out double play.

Oh. Now I see.

[bleach168]

Originally Posted by Bishop

Or find out if it happens often, or is simply a rare occurance.

Right. If it's rare, then it should happen more often to players with bad intelligence ratings. Right now, it doesn't seem rare and it doesn't seem tied to the intelligence rating.

[Sweed]

The posted pbp doesn't say if the infield was in or normal. It doesn't really matter as it should have been in in that situation but could point to what needs to be fixed. That is..

either the IF was in and didn't throw home as it should have (needs to be fixed)

or the IF was at normal and the AI didn't bring the IF in as is should have (needs to be fixed)

The secondbaseman in oopt is not going to throw home on a gb unless he is playing in. Like RL there is almost no way that play can be made and result in an out at the plate.

Of course if a human was in control of the team in the field (not sure from the initial post but assume the AI was in the field) and didn't bring the IF in then there is no problem at all.

[david limbaugh]

If I was coaching, infield would be IN and the CF would be to the left of second base (is that even an option in OOTP?) and if my second baseman threw towards second base in this situation his paperwork to Iowa is hitting the fax machine around the same time the ball is hitting the shortstop's glove :-)

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by david limbaugh

If I was coaching, infield would be IN and the CF would be to the left of second base (is that even an option in OOTP?) and if my second baseman threw towards second base in this situation his paperwork to Iowa is hitting the fax machine around the same time the ball is hitting the shortstop's glove :-)

That's what I figured but wanted to be sure. I know it's hard to see when the defensive box whites over but did you happen to notice if the AI had the infield in?

And no, you cannot bring your CF into the play in ootp.

[JohnVee]

I wonder if this situation was due to the AI determining that it could NOT get the runner out at home and, so, it had to have the fielders do something else with the ball other than a futile throw to home (which might happen in real life but the AI might not be programmed to accept futile plays but go for the "best" available play even if, in this case, meaningless).

[david limbaugh]

Originally Posted by JohnVee

I wonder if this situation was due to the AI determining that it could NOT get the runner out at home and, so, it had to have the fielders do something else with the ball other than a futile throw to home (which might happen in real life but the AI might not be programmed to accept futile plays but go for the "best" available play even if, in this case, meaningless).

In REAL Baseball (and I am the PA guy at a D-1 college and a local high school and grew up around a baseball field) that play is a DO OR DIR play - your ONLY option is to look the guy back at 3rd or throw to the plate - good play or chance to get him our or not - I think the AI needs to add some 'DO OR DIE' code ;-)

[battists]

I'm sorry to join this party late. I have logged this issue as TT # 2091, and Markus should take a look at it. Thanks for calling it out.

Although, in the future, I'd appreciate it if you would describe the problem in your initial post, so that us poor volunteers who are reading through all of these threads don't have to decipher what, specifically, you're referring to.

Thanks very much,

Steve