A Plethora of Shutouts

JPFALCON · 06-05-2006, 08:50 PM

42 complete game shutouts in the first month of my solo league, and this does not include minor league shutouts, of which there are many. Is this a byproduct of using a roster pack originally designed for OOTP6.5 or is there some setting that I need to tweek in order to reduce this amount?

Raidergoo · 06-05-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFALCON

42 complete game shutouts in the first month of my solo league, and this does not include minor league shutouts, of which there are many. Is this a byproduct of using a roster pack originally designed for OOTP6.5 or is there some setting that I need to tweek in order to reduce this amount?

Need more data, did you tweak anything before the start of the sim, or was this a case where you loaded a roster set into 6.5, then imported the 6.5 into OOTP 2006, then started playing?

Also, I'd expect that this thread will be moved.

CharlieHustle6.12 · 06-05-2006, 09:06 PM

Raidergoo..There are many threads saying the same thing. When I 'm simmed a few seasons I noticed the same.

SDtwin · 06-05-2006, 09:16 PM

Just start up a default league and watch as the news comes up. Lots of "5 hits in a game" and CG shutouts. I see it too

CharlieHustle6.12 · 06-05-2006, 09:22 PM

Also 3 hr games

Raidergoo · 06-05-2006, 09:42 PM

Well, this will need to get moved over to Tech Support to be examined.

Danboy · 06-05-2006, 09:46 PM

It's certainly coming up "shutout" way more than what would be normal...Seems every other game on the news flyer is a shutout....Yuk!

JPFALCON · 06-05-2006, 09:54 PM

Sorry if this has already been noted. It is a new league, not a carryover from a previously started one. I did not do any adjusting so it is the default settings of the game.

It is Cubbyfans most recent 2006 roster

Raidergoo · 06-05-2006, 10:02 PM

I am running a 1991 quickstart now to check shut out totals.

Heh. Tom Candiotti just threw a NO HITTER.

6 SHO Mike Mussina
5 Zane Smith
4 Roger Clemens
3 Chuck Finely
3 Frank Castillo
3 Jimmy Key

mlyons · 06-05-2006, 10:35 PM

Last season saw fewer complete games than almost any other season in MLB history, and there were still 63 complete game shutouts recorded. That's more than one every three days over the course of the season, at historically low levels. The shutout numbers the game's producing are reasonable. It looks as if more are being recorded if you look at the news reports, though, because OOTP06 generates a news story for any complete game shutout, while OOTP6 only generated it for one- or two-hitters. All those six-hit shutouts that went by unremarked in previous seasons are getting news articles now.

GMahler · 06-05-2006, 10:48 PM

42 shutouts in one month is not reasonable, if I read the first post right.

mlyons · 06-05-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GMahler

42 shutouts in one month is not reasonable, if I read the first post right.

To be honest, I doubt those were complete game shutouts that he saw. The league stats screen, which is where one would look to find shutouts, lists team shutouts, not player shutouts. 42 team shutouts in a month is very reasonable -- 261 were recorded last season.

If I'm incorrect, and the original poster got the 42 number by adding up the totals from the individual player leaderboards, I apologize, and that would be weird for any league on modern settings.

Raidergoo · 06-05-2006, 11:03 PM

Nothing that terribly cool happened, and Jersey City won the Series in 7 games.

Raidergoo · 06-05-2006, 11:05 PM

My best estimate right now is that due to the emphasis on shutout stories and 3 HR stories in NEWS is that people are getting a false impression.

You can dig into my posted sims if you would like. Keep in mind that these runs are based on a beta patch.

JPFALCON · 06-06-2006, 05:24 PM

In order to eliminate the thought of false impressions, I have attached a screen shot of pitching stats as of 4/30/06. Keep in mind that there are more pitchers with 1 shutout on page two but this should suffice to show what I know to be excessive complete game shutouts.....

Raidergoo · 06-06-2006, 05:47 PM

OK, I think this merits a TT to be at least examined. With the same league, can you get a screenie of the League pitching totals?

TT#1673

I am following this thread and TT, but will be away for a day.

JPFALCON · 06-06-2006, 06:50 PM

Here are the American and National league team stats....

65 team shutouts so far....

JPFALCON · 06-06-2006, 06:58 PM

I guess I should add the modifier page which is at the default settings...perhaps some recommended adjustments can be provided...

No surprise coming from the bottom panel news ticker huh?

mlyons · 06-06-2006, 07:07 PM

Looks to me like you have two issues. The first is that your starters are pitching a lot of complete games. Those are 1970-type levels. You might want to check your league settings and make sure your starting pitcher usage is modern era. Your ERA's are looking very low, too -- about a run under what you should get with a 2006 league. Put those together and you'll get a lot of complete game shutouts.

Default settings are "Use of Relievers" and "Use of Closers" at "Very Often" and "Pitcher Endurance" at "Low". Is that where your game is?

JPFALCON · 06-06-2006, 08:06 PM

I have use of relievers and closers set at very often...however, I did set the endurance rating to normal. I would not have thought that adjusting a strategic tendency to normal would create such an anomoly. What kind of games would be simulated if pitcher endurance was set at High or Very High then?

I would think that a pitchers endurance rating set at normal should not affect the game like this.

06-05-2006, 10:02 PM	#9
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	I am running a 1991 quickstart now to check shut out totals. Heh. Tom Candiotti just threw a NO HITTER. 6 SHO Mike Mussina 5 Zane Smith 4 Roger Clemens 3 Chuck Finely 3 Frank Castillo 3 Jimmy Key Last edited by Raidergoo; 04-17-2007 at 11:03 AM.

06-05-2006, 10:35 PM	#10
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Last season saw fewer complete games than almost any other season in MLB history, and there were still 63 complete game shutouts recorded. That's more than one every three days over the course of the season, at historically low levels. The shutout numbers the game's producing are reasonable. It looks as if more are being recorded if you look at the news reports, though, because OOTP06 generates a news story for any complete game shutout, while OOTP6 only generated it for one- or two-hitters. All those six-hit shutouts that went by unremarked in previous seasons are getting news articles now. __________________ Things can always be worse.

06-05-2006, 11:03 PM	#13
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	2006 Fictional Results in Nothing that terribly cool happened, and Jersey City won the Series in 7 games. Last edited by Raidergoo; 06-06-2006 at 05:10 PM.

06-06-2006, 05:24 PM	#15
JPFALCON Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 54	In order to eliminate the thought of false impressions, I have attached a screen shot of pitching stats as of 4/30/06. Keep in mind that there are more pitchers with 1 shutout on page two but this should suffice to show what I know to be excessive complete game shutouts..... Attached Images Last edited by JPFALCON; 06-06-2006 at 05:27 PM.

06-06-2006, 06:50 PM	#17
JPFALCON Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 54	Here are the American and National league team stats.... 65 team shutouts so far.... Attached Images

06-05-2006, 08:50 PM	#1
JPFALCON Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 54	A Plethora of Shutouts 42 complete game shutouts in the first month of my solo league, and this does not include minor league shutouts, of which there are many. Is this a byproduct of using a roster pack originally designed for OOTP6.5 or is there some setting that I need to tweek in order to reduce this amount? Last edited by JPFALCON; 06-05-2006 at 08:55 PM.

06-05-2006, 09:06 PM	#3
CharlieHustle6.12 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 172	Raidergoo..There are many threads saying the same thing. When I 'm simmed a few seasons I noticed the same.

06-05-2006, 09:16 PM	#4
SDtwin Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 406	Just start up a default league and watch as the news comes up. Lots of "5 hits in a game" and CG shutouts. I see it too

06-05-2006, 09:22 PM	#5
CharlieHustle6.12 Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 172	Also 3 hr games

06-05-2006, 09:42 PM	#6
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Well, this will need to get moved over to Tech Support to be examined.

06-05-2006, 09:46 PM	#7
Danboy Bat Boy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ormond Beach Fl Posts: 18	It's certainly coming up "shutout" way more than what would be normal...Seems every other game on the news flyer is a shutout....Yuk!

06-05-2006, 09:54 PM	#8
JPFALCON Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 54	Sorry if this has already been noted. It is a new league, not a carryover from a previously started one. I did not do any adjusting so it is the default settings of the game. It is Cubbyfans most recent 2006 roster

06-05-2006, 10:48 PM	#11
GMahler Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 43	42 shutouts in one month is not reasonable, if I read the first post right.

06-05-2006, 11:05 PM	#14
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	My best estimate right now is that due to the emphasis on shutout stories and 3 HR stories in NEWS is that people are getting a false impression. You can dig into my posted sims if you would like. Keep in mind that these runs are based on a beta patch.

06-06-2006, 05:47 PM	#16
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	OK, I think this merits a TT to be at least examined. With the same league, can you get a screenie of the League pitching totals? TT#1673 I am following this thread and TT, but will be away for a day. Last edited by Raidergoo; 06-06-2006 at 05:52 PM.

06-06-2006, 06:58 PM	#18
JPFALCON Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 54	I guess I should add the modifier page which is at the default settings...perhaps some recommended adjustments can be provided... No surprise coming from the bottom panel news ticker huh? Attached Images Last edited by JPFALCON; 06-06-2006 at 07:01 PM.

06-06-2006, 07:07 PM	#19
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Looks to me like you have two issues. The first is that your starters are pitching a lot of complete games. Those are 1970-type levels. You might want to check your league settings and make sure your starting pitcher usage is modern era. Your ERA's are looking very low, too -- about a run under what you should get with a 2006 league. Put those together and you'll get a lot of complete game shutouts. Default settings are "Use of Relievers" and "Use of Closers" at "Very Often" and "Pitcher Endurance" at "Low". Is that where your game is? __________________ Things can always be worse.

06-06-2006, 08:06 PM	#20
JPFALCON Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 54	I have use of relievers and closers set at very often...however, I did set the endurance rating to normal. I would not have thought that adjusting a strategic tendency to normal would create such an anomoly. What kind of games would be simulated if pitcher endurance was set at High or Very High then? I would think that a pitchers endurance rating set at normal should not affect the game like this.