Post-patch: Game very sluggish

Erik W. · 06-08-2006, 01:44 AM

Despite my low system specs (P3 866, 512 RAM) the game was running pretty darn well for me before the patch.

After installing the patch, however, there's a world of difference. The interface is slow and unresponsive, sometimes taking five or six clicks to even do what I'm telling it to. Offering contracts is just plain painful with the speed the text changes now. But I can live with that stuff.

The real pain comes in the games. Even on "very fast," the text is crawling along so slowly that each pitch is taking long enough that a real pitcher would be warned for slow pace. (An exaggeration, but not by much.)

It seems like the only thing that's relatively the same speed is the simming, although it was so fast before, it's entirely possible that it's slowed down too without me noticing a huge difference.

Any ideas? As it stands now, the game is pretty much unplayable in PBP mode, which is the way I like to play.

jbsnadb · 06-08-2006, 02:45 AM

It does seem slower. I found that the gameplay (NOT the play0by-play), but the clicking and whatnot sped up when I switched to the OOTP Blue skin.

megamanmatt · 06-08-2006, 03:26 AM

See it's the oposite for me. It moves so much faster for me now

Scoman · 06-08-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

See it's the oposite for me. It moves so much faster for me now

Yeah, id have to say i noticed that the sim speed has improved on my machine, post patch 1.1.

domonas · 06-08-2006, 07:50 AM

I see no real difference in speed. not that it's a bad thing.

Charlatan · 06-08-2006, 08:08 AM

It seems more snappy for me, but I've turned off the scrolling ticker, changed to the blue skin, and am using the "quick dialog view" whatever that is.

Vris · 06-08-2006, 08:53 AM

I've come to the conclusion the demo can't play on my machine. It's sluggish and laggy and it's basically unplayable. I guess OOTP2006 is going to cost me in the neighborhood of $1000 now.

jarmenia · 06-08-2006, 09:26 AM

How long were you guys playing before it got slggish? Did you do any long sims? Is this a league that has a few season under it? The reason I'm asking is I'm working with Marc on a memory issue and you may be seeing the effects of this.

Erik W. · 06-08-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

How long were you guys playing before it got slggish? Did you do any long sims? Is this a league that has a few season under it? The reason I'm asking is I'm working with Marc on a memory issue and you may be seeing the effects of this.

I didn't notice any sluggishness the first time I loaded up. The first time I noticed the game being slow was after I simmed 11 seasons on my new league. However, the slowness remained the same even after closing the game and re-opening.

The league itself is just a 16 teams, no minors thing, so the memory hit shouldn't be so bad that it's slowing down the entire thing, I wouldn't think.

Erik W. · 06-08-2006, 09:56 AM

I started a game with the quickstart made from the league mentioned above, and the game was still very unresponsive and slow even with no history for the league at all. PBP was still painfully slow even during the first at bat of the first game of the season, with SION Network turned off.

Erik W. · 06-08-2006, 11:18 AM

I also tried a complete uninstall/delete remains/reinstall, and it was sluggish right away, and even worse after actually starting a league.

This is using brown/green skin (I've also tried blue), click to open menus, ticker turned off, windowed mode (also tried fullscreen... ouch, even worse), and sim info screen turned off.

Erik W. · 06-08-2006, 12:01 PM

More info:

The game isn't using more CPU (it's actually 0-6% while idle) or RAM (120K mem usage according to task manager while in a PBP game). It's just... slow. Painfully slow.

I also tried disabling my AV (which is AVG Free) and it made no improvement at all.

Other games are still playing fine on the system. (Which is good, because had anything gone wrong with my fiancée's WoW time last night, she woulda yelled at me).

When it comes down to it, I can live with the interface slowness. But the PBP slowness, as mentioned, makes the game completely unplayable for me.

I don't understand why the game has slowed down visually in all manners, but seems absolutely fine when it comes to sim speed. While testing earlier, it still only took about a minute to simulate a full season (with no minors, of course).

I'm at a loss.

kevchod · 06-08-2006, 12:21 PM

I'm having the same issues as Azamien. It feels sluggish now. Especially when bringing up player cards. The time between plays during a game seems like it has been bogged down as well.

Simming speed is still lightning quick, though.

Exodor · 06-08-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jarmenia

How long were you guys playing before it got slggish? Did you do any long sims? Is this a league that has a few season under it? The reason I'm asking is I'm working with Marc on a memory issue and you may be seeing the effects of this.

I played for maybe 20 minutes this morning and the in-game speed was noticably slower than pre-patch. This is a 2006 league that's been played through about May 15.

Vris · 06-08-2006, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarmenia

How long were you guys playing before it got slggish? Did you do any long sims? Is this a league that has a few season under it? The reason I'm asking is I'm working with Marc on a memory issue and you may be seeing the effects of this.

I opened the demo, started up a quickstart (fictional one) and could barely move. CPU was 100% (but so was OOTP6.5). I closed all my open applications, closed out of the demo, opened it back up, and it was still moving horribly. I didn't sim anything, was still just browsing and toying with lineups.

Graeme Kelly · 06-08-2006, 01:41 PM

Can you tell me what the CPU usage is when in the middle of the game when the slowness is really a problem?

Erik W. · 06-08-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Graeme Kelly

Can you tell me what the CPU usage is when in the middle of the game when the slowness is really a problem?

My CPU usage was very low, as noted above.

Qrusher14242 · 06-08-2006, 02:20 PM

I get the same thing. At very fast, the pbp is very slow. Also, i have no borders around 'Swing Away' 'Take pitch' etc.

Erik W. · 06-08-2006, 03:14 PM

I did some more testing with Task Manager open, and here's what it's doing for me.

The memory usage stays pretty even at around 120K. The CPU really spikes, though, when I do anything except for idle. During PBP, it spikes anywhere in the 70%-100% range. When switching screens, opening player info, clicking open dropdown menus... well, pretty much doing anything, it spikes in the 80%-100% range.

I know my system is low end, but performance wasn't nearly this bad before the patch. With the ticker being togglable, I would've expected the opposite result.

Bisbo · 06-08-2006, 10:04 PM

Same problem for me - its been unplayably slow post=patch (worked fine before, although I couldn't play due to the minor league player bug).

06-08-2006, 01:44 AM	#1
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	Post-patch: Game very sluggish Despite my low system specs (P3 866, 512 RAM) the game was running pretty darn well for me before the patch. After installing the patch, however, there's a world of difference. The interface is slow and unresponsive, sometimes taking five or six clicks to even do what I'm telling it to. Offering contracts is just plain painful with the speed the text changes now. But I can live with that stuff. The real pain comes in the games. Even on "very fast," the text is crawling along so slowly that each pitch is taking long enough that a real pitcher would be warned for slow pace. (An exaggeration, but not by much.) It seems like the only thing that's relatively the same speed is the simming, although it was so fast before, it's entirely possible that it's slowed down too without me noticing a huge difference. Any ideas? As it stands now, the game is pretty much unplayable in PBP mode, which is the way I like to play. __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

06-08-2006, 08:53 AM	#7
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	I've come to the conclusion the demo can't play on my machine. It's sluggish and laggy and it's basically unplayable. I guess OOTP2006 is going to cost me in the neighborhood of $1000 now. __________________ None Blog it.

06-08-2006, 09:26 AM	#8
jarmenia Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL USA Posts: 4,503	How long were you guys playing before it got slggish? Did you do any long sims? Is this a league that has a few season under it? The reason I'm asking is I'm working with Marc on a memory issue and you may be seeing the effects of this. __________________ When is good enough, good enough?

06-08-2006, 09:56 AM	#10
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	I started a game with the quickstart made from the league mentioned above, and the game was still very unresponsive and slow even with no history for the league at all. PBP was still painfully slow even during the first at bat of the first game of the season, with SION Network turned off. __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

06-08-2006, 11:18 AM	#11
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	I also tried a complete uninstall/delete remains/reinstall, and it was sluggish right away, and even worse after actually starting a league. This is using brown/green skin (I've also tried blue), click to open menus, ticker turned off, windowed mode (also tried fullscreen... ouch, even worse), and sim info screen turned off. __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

06-08-2006, 02:45 AM	#2
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	It does seem slower. I found that the gameplay (NOT the play0by-play), but the clicking and whatnot sped up when I switched to the OOTP Blue skin.

06-08-2006, 03:26 AM	#3
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	See it's the oposite for me. It moves so much faster for me now

06-08-2006, 07:50 AM	#5
domonas Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 121	I see no real difference in speed. not that it's a bad thing.

06-08-2006, 08:08 AM	#6
Charlatan All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 1,492	It seems more snappy for me, but I've turned off the scrolling ticker, changed to the blue skin, and am using the "quick dialog view" whatever that is.

06-08-2006, 12:01 PM	#12
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	More info: The game isn't using more CPU (it's actually 0-6% while idle) or RAM (120K mem usage according to task manager while in a PBP game). It's just... slow. Painfully slow. I also tried disabling my AV (which is AVG Free) and it made no improvement at all. Other games are still playing fine on the system. (Which is good, because had anything gone wrong with my fiancée's WoW time last night, she woulda yelled at me). When it comes down to it, I can live with the interface slowness. But the PBP slowness, as mentioned, makes the game completely unplayable for me. I don't understand why the game has slowed down visually in all manners, but seems absolutely fine when it comes to sim speed. While testing earlier, it still only took about a minute to simulate a full season (with no minors, of course). I'm at a loss. __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

06-08-2006, 12:21 PM	#13
kevchod Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 62	I'm having the same issues as Azamien. It feels sluggish now. Especially when bringing up player cards. The time between plays during a game seems like it has been bogged down as well. Simming speed is still lightning quick, though.

06-08-2006, 01:41 PM	#16
Graeme Kelly Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 164	Can you tell me what the CPU usage is when in the middle of the game when the slowness is really a problem?

06-08-2006, 02:20 PM	#18
Qrusher14242 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: CA Posts: 1,253	I get the same thing. At very fast, the pbp is very slow. Also, i have no borders around 'Swing Away' 'Take pitch' etc. __________________ "Go then, there are other worlds than these"

06-08-2006, 03:14 PM	#19
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	I did some more testing with Task Manager open, and here's what it's doing for me. The memory usage stays pretty even at around 120K. The CPU really spikes, though, when I do anything except for idle. During PBP, it spikes anywhere in the 70%-100% range. When switching screens, opening player info, clicking open dropdown menus... well, pretty much doing anything, it spikes in the 80%-100% range. I know my system is low end, but performance wasn't nearly this bad before the patch. With the ticker being togglable, I would've expected the opposite result. __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

06-08-2006, 10:04 PM	#20
Bisbo Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 65	Same problem for me - its been unplayably slow post=patch (worked fine before, although I couldn't play due to the minor league player bug).