Report: A-Rod tested positive in 2003

Jason Moyer · 02-07-2009, 12:14 PM

Report: Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids in 2003 while with Texas Rangers - ESPN

I am truly and deeply saddened by this.

Russ · 02-07-2009, 12:33 PM

Why don't they just make all the results public? This picking and choosing isn't any good for anybody.

Erik W. · 02-07-2009, 12:33 PM

I'm truly and deeply unsurprised by this.

mikev · 02-07-2009, 12:35 PM

Just release a list of people who *didn't* take PEDs.

It would be a smaller list.

Baseball and Beans · 02-07-2009, 12:35 PM

lol.

Still can't beat Varitek in a baseball fight.

This does not surprise me at all.

I am learning to accept that everybody did.

Jason Moyer · 02-07-2009, 12:39 PM

I tend to think anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 took from the 60's until the mid 00's but I'm guessing my opinion would be in the minority.

Baseball and Beans · 02-07-2009, 12:41 PM

I'm of the opinion that usage has probably gone down substantially each decade as testing has become more rigorous. That's probably not a popular opinion with science as great as it is nowadays, but I feel like the awareness of getting caught really shot it down. The steroids may be BETTER these days, but I feel like that were used a lot more often back in the day.

Carplos · 02-07-2009, 12:45 PM

OMGZ TAKE AWAY HIS AWARDS, FUTURE RECORDS, BLAH BLAH BLAH MORE RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION HERE.

*snore*

(That's all future discussions about A-Rod, anyway.)

Jason Moyer · 02-07-2009, 12:49 PM

A-ROID ROFLMAO m i rite

Comedian2004 · 02-07-2009, 01:08 PM

There is no "I" in A-Rod, but there is an "I" on A-Roid!

Jason Moyer · 02-07-2009, 01:09 PM

Here's the SI article in question, btw. 4 independent sources, ouch.

Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids in '03, sources tell SI - MLB - SI.com

CommishJoe · 02-07-2009, 01:17 PM

*SIGH*, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised given his personality and having to fit in, but it's still a disappointment. So much for the next great hope of knocking Bonds off the top of the record books. I guess I'll have to wait for Pujols.

mikev · 02-07-2009, 01:51 PM

BTW -- the witch hunt continues.

SEALED records being released. Abuse of power much?

The Professor · 02-07-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

I tend to think anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 took from the 60's until the mid 00's but I'm guessing my opinion would be in the minority.

Based on the research I've done - and noting that there is a lot of obfuscation, rumor, and hearsay - I wouldn't disagree with you, particularly if you were to suggest approx. 1/4 probably were using steroids or similar enhancements since the 1960s, with the numbers inflating somewhat into the peak of the "Steroid Era", and only starting to deflate after that. If you expand the field to greenies, tranquilizers, (recreational drugs) etc. you're talking about somewhere close to 3/4 (with more like 1/2 being "regular" users).

The old cliche is that chemistry wins ballgames. I think we've been missing the real meaning of that cliche for at least a few decades (not just in baseball, but in the world of competitive sports in general.)

And you (and I) are definitely in the minority. We're also probably right. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I know we are.

mrskippy · 02-07-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

Report: Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids in 2003 while with Texas Rangers - ESPN

I am truly and deeply saddened by this.

I'm not. I said back when this fiasco (Mitchell Report and stuff) started a few years ago that A-Rod used steroids. Nobody believed me and they all said A-Rod was one of the clean ones. I knew I was right.

mrskippy · 02-07-2009, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

Why don't they just make all the results public? This picking and choosing isn't any good for anybody.

I agree. The world will realize that Bonds isn't the only one and that if you are going to punish people, you punish the lot or none at all. I certainly hope this forces the Feds to drop its case against Bonds, because what the government is doing is unfair and unjust.

Jason Moyer · 02-07-2009, 02:18 PM

FWIW, that comment in the first post was a joke. None of this even bothers me a tiny bit in any way, and as far as I'm concerned I view basically every athlete since the dawn of time with the same level of apprehension. Mike Schmidt is my hero, but I not only assume he was one of the many 70's Phillies who took amphetamines like Flinstones' vitamins, it would not surprise me in the least to find out that he was also taking anabolic steroids. It also wouldn't change my opinion of him one way or the other. Same with Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Santo, and anyone else who I love and who played during the steroid era.

stevebydac · 02-07-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mrskippy

The world will realize that Bonds isn't the only one and that if you are going to punish people, you punish the lot or none at all. I certainly hope this forces the Feds to drop its case against Bonds, because what the government is doing is unfair and unjust.

Why drop its case against Bonds??? If Bonds murdered someone, but we hadn't caught some other murderers, you'd let Bonds go? "Oh well Barry, we know you shot that guy in the head, but since we couldn't catch the killers of Joe or Fred, we're gonna set you free. Have a nice day, sorry to have bothered you."

Crush them all. If ARod is guilty, give him whatever penalty can be handed out. Do the same to the next guy, and the next one after that... You'll never discover all of the guilty ones, but to let the KNOWN guilty ones off the hook is ridiculous.

Jason Moyer · 02-07-2009, 02:21 PM

The Bonds case is going to go nowhere anyway. He's been accused of lying about taking illegal PEDs, his test from 2003 came up negative for illegal PEDs, and the re-testing of those samples showed the Clear and the Cream, which he admitted to taking during his testimony and which were neither illegal nor banned from baseball at the time. I would be highly surprised if Bonds loses his case given that there's no admissable physical evidence against him and everything else is really sketchy personal testimony.

Carplos · 02-07-2009, 02:24 PM

There is no penalty to be handed out, he tested positive before there were consequences for using steroids (at least w/r/t to baseball.)

Ignoring the fact it's a witch hunt--the gov't isn't technically pursuing Bonds cause he used steroids, they're doing it because he lied under oath.

02-07-2009, 12:14 PM	#1
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,074	Report: A-Rod tested positive in 2003 Report: Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids in 2003 while with Texas Rangers - ESPN I am truly and deeply saddened by this. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

02-07-2009, 12:33 PM	#2
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Why don't they just make all the results public? This picking and choosing isn't any good for anybody. __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

02-07-2009, 12:33 PM	#3
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	I'm truly and deeply unsurprised by this. __________________ Free agent baseball fan. Let's go (insert team name here)!

02-07-2009, 12:35 PM	#4
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Just release a list of people who didn't take PEDs. It would be a smaller list. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

02-07-2009, 12:39 PM	#6
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,074	I tend to think anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 took from the 60's until the mid 00's but I'm guessing my opinion would be in the minority. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

02-07-2009, 12:35 PM	#5
Baseball and Beans Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 9	lol. Still can't beat Varitek in a baseball fight. This does not surprise me at all. I am learning to accept that everybody did.

02-07-2009, 12:41 PM	#7
Baseball and Beans Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 9	I'm of the opinion that usage has probably gone down substantially each decade as testing has become more rigorous. That's probably not a popular opinion with science as great as it is nowadays, but I feel like the awareness of getting caught really shot it down. The steroids may be BETTER these days, but I feel like that were used a lot more often back in the day.

02-07-2009, 12:45 PM	#8
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,846 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	OMGZ TAKE AWAY HIS AWARDS, FUTURE RECORDS, BLAH BLAH BLAH MORE RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION HERE. snore (That's all future discussions about A-Rod, anyway.)

02-07-2009, 12:49 PM	#9
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,074	A-ROID ROFLMAO m i rite __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

02-07-2009, 01:08 PM	#10
Comedian2004 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida. Posts: 7,085	There is no "I" in A-Rod, but there is an "I" on A-Roid! __________________ Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]

02-07-2009, 01:09 PM	#11
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,074	Here's the SI article in question, btw. 4 independent sources, ouch. Alex Rodriguez tested positive for steroids in '03, sources tell SI - MLB - SI.com __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

02-07-2009, 01:17 PM	#12
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	SIGH, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised given his personality and having to fit in, but it's still a disappointment. So much for the next great hope of knocking Bonds off the top of the record books. I guess I'll have to wait for Pujols. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

02-07-2009, 01:51 PM	#13
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	BTW -- the witch hunt continues. SEALED records being released. Abuse of power much? __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

02-07-2009, 02:18 PM	#17
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,074	FWIW, that comment in the first post was a joke. None of this even bothers me a tiny bit in any way, and as far as I'm concerned I view basically every athlete since the dawn of time with the same level of apprehension. Mike Schmidt is my hero, but I not only assume he was one of the many 70's Phillies who took amphetamines like Flinstones' vitamins, it would not surprise me in the least to find out that he was also taking anabolic steroids. It also wouldn't change my opinion of him one way or the other. Same with Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Santo, and anyone else who I love and who played during the steroid era. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

02-07-2009, 02:21 PM	#19
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,074	The Bonds case is going to go nowhere anyway. He's been accused of lying about taking illegal PEDs, his test from 2003 came up negative for illegal PEDs, and the re-testing of those samples showed the Clear and the Cream, which he admitted to taking during his testimony and which were neither illegal nor banned from baseball at the time. I would be highly surprised if Bonds loses his case given that there's no admissable physical evidence against him and everything else is really sketchy personal testimony. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

02-07-2009, 02:24 PM	#20
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,846 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	There is no penalty to be handed out, he tested positive before there were consequences for using steroids (at least w/r/t to baseball.) Ignoring the fact it's a witch hunt--the gov't isn't technically pursuing Bonds cause he used steroids, they're doing it because he lied under oath.