BZ 3094: Scouting reports (rating values) with scouting off mismatch with player profile

Jayzone · 06-03-2009, 02:37 PM

There seems to be an issue where the rating values in the scouting report don't match with rating values displayed in the player profile.

I saw this with 3 different setups (all that I have tried) in the following:

(1) default MLB league with scouting system turned off -> the most recent rating values in the scouting report do not match up with what's shown in the player profile after running rescouting function.

(2) Generate a fictional league with default options -> turn the scouting system off, run rescout -> the most recent rating values in the scouting report stilll do not match up with what's shown in the player profile

(3) Generate a fictional league with scouting system turned off during league generation process -> the most recent rating values in the scouting report again do not match up with what's shown in the player profile after running rescouting function.

I am thinking maybe the reason is that scouting system is never turned off for scouting report section? Scouting report/history should record the true values when scouting is off. This is definitely a different behaviour than the past versions. Likely an oversight bug.

p.s. I wish that there is more info in the scouting history than the basic "3 major abilities + OVR/POT". A total snapshot including all ratings of the player would've been really nice. A user definable report update frequency (a day, a month, 3 month, etc.) other than the fixed once-per-year would've been great as well.

Jayzone · 06-03-2009, 02:47 PM

Ok, I think I can confirm that this is because scouting is not turned off for scouting reports. I've just tried this: turn the scouting system on, adjust the scouting accuracy to a different scale, and turn the scouting system off. Doing that, the current scouting report values will change along with it. So, this clearly shows that scouting report is controlled by scouting system settings at all times.

battists · 06-03-2009, 03:08 PM

Urk, thanks for finding this, and for the nice clear definition of the problem!

I've logged this as BZ 3094, we'll see what Mr. Heinsohn can do with it...

Solonor · 06-03-2009, 03:10 PM

Bz #3095

Solonor · 06-03-2009, 03:12 PM

Oops. We must have been logging it at the same time.

battists · 06-03-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solonor

Oops. We must have been logging it at the same time.

LOL.

You want to mark yours as a dupe?

Solonor · 06-03-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

LOL.

You want to mark yours as a dupe?

Done.

Jayzone · 06-03-2009, 06:18 PM

Thanks, guys.

gord · 06-06-2009, 10:20 PM

So which is the true rating - the one on the scouting report or the main screen?

Nutlaw · 06-12-2009, 10:22 PM

This issue has been claimed fixed for the next patch. If you continue to observe this problem using a later version than 10.0.7, please report it in Tech Support. Thanks.

gord · 06-19-2009, 07:31 PM

From these two threads:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...r-profile.html
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ngs-scout.html

I upgraded to 10.1.14 and none of the ratings on the player's main screen match up to what is on their scouting report screen (see second link for screenshots).

Rand · 06-19-2009, 07:48 PM

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be fixed here. Still different scouting ratings between player profile page and scouting page, even though the both pages list the same scouting date.
It's difficult to guess at which page is the scouts real opinion and which is... well, presumably the scout lying

Nutlaw · 06-28-2009, 10:57 PM

Can you guys please check this out using version 10.2.16 and let us know?

Rand · 06-28-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Can you guys please check this out using version 10.2.16 and let us know?

Definitely still an issue with 10.2.16

gord · 06-29-2009, 11:30 AM

Ditto. Almost every player has two different ratings.

Nutlaw · 06-29-2009, 07:31 PM

Merging threads. Reopening report.

Tin of Maize · 07-04-2009, 04:10 PM

I know this probably has already been noted, but I couldn't find it in my (admittedly brief) search of the "logged" forum.

There are major inconsistencies when looking at overall and potential ratings from screen to screen. Even within a player's profile. I have seen players rated at 4 stars on their "profile-profile" page, but then if you click on the "scouting reports" tab, they are only given one star, and the poor narrative that goes along with that.

I sure hope this will be fixed.

endgame · 07-04-2009, 08:38 PM

FYI - BZ #3094 has already been reopened reporting this issue.

battists · 09-08-2009, 09:41 PM

Markus has reviewed this and reports that it is working as he intended it. He said,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus

On the scouting reports page the stars are exactly the way they are at the time the report was done. Everywhere else, the stars are how the ratings match up to the league average right at that moment. So, when you compare the stars to a scouting report that is 6 weeks old, you may see differences since the league average may have changed.

I hope this helps...

Steve

PSUColonel · 09-14-2009, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

Markus has reviewed this and reports that it is working as he intended it. He said,

I hope this helps...

Steve

I think it's a bad system, but even more concerning to me is why Markus declared this "fixed" and yet now he says it's working the way he intended. This to me is a prime example of the many loose ends and sloppiness that continue to plague OOTP. Not saying this isn't a great product, but these are the little things that rarely if ever receive a response from Markus himself, and are almost "swept" under the carpet because they might represent a wart or blemish. It's almost as though Markus is saying without saying(and this is not the only example like this out there) "I can't fix this particular issue." But rather than just coming out there and saying that, he often lets us wonder and question about an issue for months or even years in some cases. I wish he would be more forthright on some of these issues.

06-03-2009, 02:37 PM	#1
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	BZ 3094: Scouting reports (rating values) with scouting off mismatch with player profile There seems to be an issue where the rating values in the scouting report don't match with rating values displayed in the player profile. I saw this with 3 different setups (all that I have tried) in the following: (1) default MLB league with scouting system turned off -> the most recent rating values in the scouting report do not match up with what's shown in the player profile after running rescouting function. (2) Generate a fictional league with default options -> turn the scouting system off, run rescout -> the most recent rating values in the scouting report stilll do not match up with what's shown in the player profile (3) Generate a fictional league with scouting system turned off during league generation process -> the most recent rating values in the scouting report again do not match up with what's shown in the player profile after running rescouting function. I am thinking maybe the reason is that scouting system is never turned off for scouting report section? Scouting report/history should record the true values when scouting is off. This is definitely a different behaviour than the past versions. Likely an oversight bug. p.s. I wish that there is more info in the scouting history than the basic "3 major abilities + OVR/POT". A total snapshot including all ratings of the player would've been really nice. A user definable report update frequency (a day, a month, 3 month, etc.) other than the fixed once-per-year would've been great as well. __________________ Rating Translator v0.93b (for OOTP 6/6.5) - released/updated on 03/13/05. - The function of this utility is to translate both the player's ability and talent ratings into stats (expected performance). Note: Rating Translator is now also hosted at jazzrack's CLB - OOTP Download. Click here for the discussion on "How computer GM may be made smarter by having built-in rating translation ability"

06-03-2009, 02:47 PM	#2
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	Ok, I think I can confirm that this is because scouting is not turned off for scouting reports. I've just tried this: turn the scouting system on, adjust the scouting accuracy to a different scale, and turn the scouting system off. Doing that, the current scouting report values will change along with it. So, this clearly shows that scouting report is controlled by scouting system settings at all times. __________________ Rating Translator v0.93b (for OOTP 6/6.5) - released/updated on 03/13/05. - The function of this utility is to translate both the player's ability and talent ratings into stats (expected performance). Note: Rating Translator is now also hosted at jazzrack's CLB - OOTP Download. Click here for the discussion on "How computer GM may be made smarter by having built-in rating translation ability"

06-03-2009, 03:10 PM	#4
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	Bz #3095 __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-03-2009, 03:12 PM	#5
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	Oops. We must have been logging it at the same time. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-03-2009, 06:18 PM	#8
Jayzone All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 706	Thanks, guys. __________________ Rating Translator v0.93b (for OOTP 6/6.5) - released/updated on 03/13/05. - The function of this utility is to translate both the player's ability and talent ratings into stats (expected performance). Note: Rating Translator is now also hosted at jazzrack's CLB - OOTP Download. Click here for the discussion on "How computer GM may be made smarter by having built-in rating translation ability"

06-03-2009, 03:08 PM	#3
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Urk, thanks for finding this, and for the nice clear definition of the problem! I've logged this as BZ 3094, we'll see what Mr. Heinsohn can do with it...

06-06-2009, 10:20 PM	#9
gord Major Leagues Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 361	So which is the true rating - the one on the scouting report or the main screen?

06-12-2009, 10:22 PM	#10
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	This issue has been claimed fixed for the next patch. If you continue to observe this problem using a later version than 10.0.7, please report it in Tech Support. Thanks.

06-19-2009, 07:31 PM	#11
gord Major Leagues Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 361	Still seeing different ratings on different screens From these two threads: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...r-profile.html http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ngs-scout.html I upgraded to 10.1.14 and none of the ratings on the player's main screen match up to what is on their scouting report screen (see second link for screenshots).

06-19-2009, 07:48 PM	#12
Rand Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 124	Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be fixed here. Still different scouting ratings between player profile page and scouting page, even though the both pages list the same scouting date. It's difficult to guess at which page is the scouts real opinion and which is... well, presumably the scout lying

06-28-2009, 10:57 PM	#13
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Can you guys please check this out using version 10.2.16 and let us know?

06-29-2009, 11:30 AM	#15
gord Major Leagues Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 361	Ditto. Almost every player has two different ratings.

06-29-2009, 07:31 PM	#16
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Merging threads. Reopening report.

07-04-2009, 04:10 PM	#17
Tin of Maize Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 81	inconsistent scout ratings I know this probably has already been noted, but I couldn't find it in my (admittedly brief) search of the "logged" forum. There are major inconsistencies when looking at overall and potential ratings from screen to screen. Even within a player's profile. I have seen players rated at 4 stars on their "profile-profile" page, but then if you click on the "scouting reports" tab, they are only given one star, and the poor narrative that goes along with that. I sure hope this will be fixed.

07-04-2009, 08:38 PM	#18
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	FYI - BZ #3094 has already been reopened reporting this issue. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________