7 day line-ups

mtopham · 06-28-2009, 05:56 PM

This is a problem I experienced with OOTP 9 that is still occurring in X. When setting 7 day line-ups, after the 7th day the pitching rotation gets messed up and guys begin pitching out of order, typically someone who just pitched and is tired. For "Sit Starting Pitcher if Tired" I have it set at 'No, force start', and on the team page I have it set to No AI adjustment for the lineup. Sometimes I'll just sim a week or three and it's a pain having to stop every week and reset the 7 day line-up to keep the rotation in order.

Any Suggestions? Thanks.....

Ramzavail · 06-29-2009, 07:26 PM

yes I've seen that happen too.

RchW · 06-29-2009, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtopham

This is a problem I experienced with OOTP 9 that is still occurring in X. When setting 7 day line-ups, after the 7th day the pitching rotation gets messed up and guys begin pitching out of order, typically someone who just pitched and is tired. For "Sit Starting Pitcher if Tired" I have it set at 'No, force start', and on the team page I have it set to No AI adjustment for the lineup. Sometimes I'll just sim a week or three and it's a pain having to stop every week and reset the 7 day line-up to keep the rotation in order.

Any Suggestions? Thanks.....

If you want to use the 7-day line up, you do have to check it every 7 days.

My beef is the second point where the pitchers get screwed up. The pitchers should not be connected to the batting lineup. Display them yes but don't override my pitching lineup.

battists · 07-22-2009, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtopham

This is a problem I experienced with OOTP 9 that is still occurring in X. When setting 7 day line-ups, after the 7th day the pitching rotation gets messed up and guys begin pitching out of order, typically someone who just pitched and is tired. For "Sit Starting Pitcher if Tired" I have it set at 'No, force start', and on the team page I have it set to No AI adjustment for the lineup. Sometimes I'll just sim a week or three and it's a pain having to stop every week and reset the 7 day line-up to keep the rotation in order.

Hi guys,

Sorry for the slow response.

Can you clarify for me, on your pitching rotation page, do you have your rotation set to "strict order" or "highest rested"? Just trying to get a sense of what combination of settings causes this problem. I just tried multiple times, but couldn't get the computer to mess up my order.

I'd like to log this issue, but before I can do so I need to nail it down as precisely as possible.

Thanks!

Steve

mtopham · 07-26-2009, 03:19 AM

Sorry on the late response. I have it set with a 5 man rotation and strict order. I tried working without the 7 day lineup and I'll have pitchers who'll pitch 2 days later after a start. Either way if I were to sim for a few months I have two pitchers who might have 20 starts, two with 10 and a one with 5. This led me to having to use the 7 day and updating each week.

vbm95u · 07-27-2009, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtopham

Sorry on the late response. I have it set with a 5 man rotation and strict order. I tried working without the 7 day lineup and I'll have pitchers who'll pitch 2 days later after a start. Either way if I were to sim for a few months I have two pitchers who might have 20 starts, two with 10 and a one with 5. This led me to having to use the 7 day and updating each week.

I've had a similar issue in my online league. Originally, I had my roster set to use the 7 day lineups and manually adjusted my pitchers, with the pitching set to permit a backup pitcher if my scheduled one was tired. I found the computer would insert my 4th setup reliever in as the starter about every 5 games, even though the scheduled starter would be working on 5-6 days rest. I'm hoping that resetting to force start will solve this problem, but the AI seems a little odd if it's inserting my worst reliever as a starter.

kcroyalgm · 07-27-2009, 06:40 PM

I too have found pitching assignments to be wonky in 7-day lineups. What I do is always leave the pitcher unassigned in the 7-day lineup and it usually reverts to my normal pitching rotation setup for the picher.

battists · 07-28-2009, 09:49 PM

I really want to get this fixed, but I need everyone's help to nail this down as closely as possible.

Looking at this quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtopham

Sorry on the late response. I have it set with a 5 man rotation and strict order. I tried working without the 7 day lineup and I'll have pitchers who'll pitch 2 days later after a start. Either way if I were to sim for a few months I have two pitchers who might have 20 starts, two with 10 and a one with 5. This led me to having to use the 7 day and updating each week.

This seems to indicate that there is a problem here that is completely unrelated to 7-day lineups. Apparently, there is a problem that made this user SWITCH to 7-day lineups.

If that's the case, since this is the original poster, I'd really like to figure out exactly what that problem was and how to reproduce it!

Any thoughts?

Steve

RchW · 07-28-2009, 10:16 PM

If the sim is interrupted, say for a player coming off the DL and you do not finish the day and re-set the 7-day lineups to get the right pitcher synchronized, your rotation gets messed up. As an example if your no. 2 starter is set on the pitching page but the no. 1 is set on the 7-day page the no. 1 pitcher will start, even if he pitched yesterday.

IMO the rotation as set on the pitching page should be the only one that counts.

mtopham · 08-07-2009, 03:15 PM

Actually your right Batt, there was a reason why I originally went to the 7 day line-up and that was because when I'd sim for a number of days the pitching line-up would get all screwy. Instead of starting pitcher A, followed by B, C, D and E, then back to A, I would have it go A, B, C, A, B, D, A, for example. Pitcher A would obviously be exhausted and so would the bullpen, and needless to say the team would chalk up losses. So I went the 7 day route because I figured at least 7 days would be right. Then I discovered the secondary problem of the pitching getting offset on day 8.

What seems to happen there is after the 7th game whoever pitched game 1 of the 7 ends up being the starter for the next game 1, as I'll try to show below:

Game 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
week1 A B C D E A B
week2 A B C - D E A
week3 A B C D E A B

Kind of like that

mtopham · 08-07-2009, 03:18 PM

OBTW......

When you look at the league schedule page listing the games and starters, it shows the correct starter as dictated by the pitching lineup on the team page, but when the game is actually played the lineup shows a different pitcher. This entire problem occurred in the previous version as well.

mjdoom · 08-08-2009, 07:46 PM

I do not know for certain if this is the same issue but those of you posting here might want to check.

I have found that in my online league sometimes the pitchers listed on the 7-day lineups will *not* clear out after a game is played even if you have "Clear lineup after use" set to YES. The byproduct of this is that when the week rolls around to the next week if you do not go and manually update the pitcher for that day it will revert to whoever pitched that day the previous week (because it did not get cleared). Despite what is listed in the schedules (which pulls from your rotation page) the 7-day lineups will supersede anything else so this can cause your #1 starter to pitch on Monday every week for example which normally will not line up properly with the rotation and cause a fatigued pitcher to start if you have force start turned on.

mtopham · 08-09-2009, 08:32 PM

That is exactly what happens. The line-up clears off of the 7 day screen, but the pitcher does not until you update the 7 day line-ups, then the correct pitcher is inserted. The 'Scores & Schedule' screen shows the correct starter, but when the game is played it is the 7 day pitcher who did not clear from that page who starts. I don't think it's just a 7 day line-up issue, for if I start the season without setting a 7 day line-up the pitching rotation still gets messed up.

battists · 01-30-2010, 10:08 PM

Hi there,

I know it's a little absurd to be responding to this thread at this late date, but I'm trying to follow up on some of these older issues and make sure they were resolved.

I still can't manage to reproduce this issue at all, which makes it nearly impossible resolve. Can you guys think of anyway I can regularly reproduce this problem?

Thanks very much.

Steve

BaseballMan · 01-31-2010, 06:15 PM

Ive been using 7 day lineups in a online league but it seems like no matter what i do i still see a SP pitching starting 2 games in a row. I know i did not set it that way in the lineups. Though it would be nice if the lineups always had the first schedule game on the very far left instead of sometimes in the middle.
I have sub for pitcher if starter is tired but i dont see how pitcher who pitched 8 innings the day before should start over any other pitcher the very next day.
My pitcher lasted 1.1 innings the next day and gave up 11 runs and my team lost 15-0. This is really quite frustrating.

TribeFanInNC · 01-31-2010, 09:45 PM

Baseball Man (or others) - do you have a specific example you can show us? Screenshots would be extremely helpful, but at the very least can you tell us your rotation, their rest % to start with, your 7-day lineup, and then how it played out. Your 7-day lineup settings at the top of that screen would be very helpful as well.

Unfortunately there are lots of explanations for pitchers being used without full rest, so it is hard to figure out if the program is working as intended or not without lots of details.

BaseballMan · 02-01-2010, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

Baseball Man (or others) - do you have a specific example you can show us? Screenshots would be extremely helpful, but at the very least can you tell us your rotation, their rest % to start with, your 7-day lineup, and then how it played out. Your 7-day lineup settings at the top of that screen would be very helpful as well.

Unfortunately there are lots of explanations for pitchers being used without full rest, so it is hard to figure out if the program is working as intended or not without lots of details.

Its an online league so you can check out my team (Chicago Cubs) and take a look at Mal Eason game logs and you will notice back to back starts. I didnt really pay attention before i made changes to settings because i did not notice until i saw this thread. But theres no way there couldnt be a more rested pitcher than the pitcher who pitched the day before. Eason was used 2 games in a row in which he pitched complete games. I could see if i scheduled him accidently by not looking at the game dates but ive been scheduling the pitcher who pitched 5 days ago as the first pitcher in the 7 day lineups. Occasionally using a spot starter. I could see it if i had 1 man rotation but i have 4 man rotation. Eason's not in the bullpen. I have allow sub if SP tired. Seems like my other starters would have to have a stamina of 1 to be replace by a pitcher who pitched the day before.
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endgame · 02-01-2010, 01:05 AM

Another shot in the dark here, but is anyone in your rotations designated with the Force Start As?

Dark Horse · 02-01-2010, 01:38 AM

i believe the problem with this is that OOTP doesn't clear the Starting Pitcher if you sim ahead more than seven days.

In the example above, my rotation is:
1 - F. Gram
2 - O. Wright
3 - M. Jammer
4 - H. Stansel
5 - J. Woods

The seven day lineup is:
Fri 4/21 - M. Jammer
Sat 4/22 - H. Stansel
Sun 4/23 - J. Woods
Mon 4/24 - F. Gram
Tue 4/25 - Off Day
Wed 4/26 - O. Wright
Thu 4/27 - M. Jammer

On Fri 4/28, OOTP should look back in the rotation and select the next starter H. Stansel. Instead it looks back at the seven day lineup and takes the pitcher that schedule to pitch Friday. It's like OOTP should clear the starting pitcher when it clears the lineup but it doesn't.

The work around is to, clear the starting pitchers out. Then OOTP uses your rotation. Or, if you want to use this part of the seven day lineup as it should be, you want to convince your online league to sim seven days at a time.

BaseballMan · 02-01-2010, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

Another shot in the dark here, but is anyone in your rotations designated with the Force Start As?

No but i changed it to force start in 7 day lineup strategy for the next sim. Im using start most rested SP in pitching rotation. We do have another sim tommorrow so i can see if it happens again.

07-27-2009, 06:40 PM	#7
kcroyalgm All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 645	I too have found pitching assignments to be wonky in 7-day lineups. What I do is always leave the pitcher unassigned in the 7-day lineup and it usually reverts to my normal pitching rotation setup for the picher. __________________ Up Kerry! 39 Time All-Ireland Senior Football Champions

07-28-2009, 10:16 PM	#9
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	If the sim is interrupted, say for a player coming off the DL and you do not finish the day and re-set the 7-day lineups to get the right pitcher synchronized, your rotation gets messed up. As an example if your no. 2 starter is set on the pitching page but the no. 1 is set on the 7-day page the no. 1 pitcher will start, even if he pitched yesterday. IMO the rotation as set on the pitching page should be the only one that counts. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

01-30-2010, 10:08 PM	#14
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Hi there, I know it's a little absurd to be responding to this thread at this late date, but I'm trying to follow up on some of these older issues and make sure they were resolved. I still can't manage to reproduce this issue at all, which makes it nearly impossible resolve. Can you guys think of anyway I can regularly reproduce this problem? Thanks very much. Steve __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!

02-01-2010, 01:05 AM	#18
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Another shot in the dark here, but is anyone in your rotations designated with the Force Start As? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

02-01-2010, 01:38 AM	#19
Dark Horse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas! Posts: 2,633	i believe the problem with this is that OOTP doesn't clear the Starting Pitcher if you sim ahead more than seven days. In the example above, my rotation is: 1 - F. Gram 2 - O. Wright 3 - M. Jammer 4 - H. Stansel 5 - J. Woods The seven day lineup is: Fri 4/21 - M. Jammer Sat 4/22 - H. Stansel Sun 4/23 - J. Woods Mon 4/24 - F. Gram Tue 4/25 - Off Day Wed 4/26 - O. Wright Thu 4/27 - M. Jammer On Fri 4/28, OOTP should look back in the rotation and select the next starter H. Stansel. Instead it looks back at the seven day lineup and takes the pitcher that schedule to pitch Friday. It's like OOTP should clear the starting pitcher when it clears the lineup but it doesn't. The work around is to, clear the starting pitchers out. Then OOTP uses your rotation. Or, if you want to use this part of the seven day lineup as it should be, you want to convince your online league to sim seven days at a time. __________________ A Justafan Fan LBA Geo Bahn Rock Hounds fan of the ISLANDIAN PRO ALLIANCE

06-28-2009, 05:56 PM	#1
mtopham Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: around the corner from Mays Field Posts: 195	7 day line-ups This is a problem I experienced with OOTP 9 that is still occurring in X. When setting 7 day line-ups, after the 7th day the pitching rotation gets messed up and guys begin pitching out of order, typically someone who just pitched and is tired. For "Sit Starting Pitcher if Tired" I have it set at 'No, force start', and on the team page I have it set to No AI adjustment for the lineup. Sometimes I'll just sim a week or three and it's a pain having to stop every week and reset the 7 day line-up to keep the rotation in order. Any Suggestions? Thanks.....

06-29-2009, 07:26 PM	#2
Ramzavail All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NY Posts: 616	yes I've seen that happen too.

07-26-2009, 03:19 AM	#5
mtopham Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: around the corner from Mays Field Posts: 195	Sorry on the late response. I have it set with a 5 man rotation and strict order. I tried working without the 7 day lineup and I'll have pitchers who'll pitch 2 days later after a start. Either way if I were to sim for a few months I have two pitchers who might have 20 starts, two with 10 and a one with 5. This led me to having to use the 7 day and updating each week.

08-07-2009, 03:15 PM	#10
mtopham Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: around the corner from Mays Field Posts: 195	Actually your right Batt, there was a reason why I originally went to the 7 day line-up and that was because when I'd sim for a number of days the pitching line-up would get all screwy. Instead of starting pitcher A, followed by B, C, D and E, then back to A, I would have it go A, B, C, A, B, D, A, for example. Pitcher A would obviously be exhausted and so would the bullpen, and needless to say the team would chalk up losses. So I went the 7 day route because I figured at least 7 days would be right. Then I discovered the secondary problem of the pitching getting offset on day 8. What seems to happen there is after the 7th game whoever pitched game 1 of the 7 ends up being the starter for the next game 1, as I'll try to show below: Game 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 week1 A B C D E A B week2 A B C - D E A week3 A B C D E A B Kind of like that

08-07-2009, 03:18 PM	#11
mtopham Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: around the corner from Mays Field Posts: 195	OBTW...... When you look at the league schedule page listing the games and starters, it shows the correct starter as dictated by the pitching lineup on the team page, but when the game is actually played the lineup shows a different pitcher. This entire problem occurred in the previous version as well.

08-08-2009, 07:46 PM	#12
mjdoom Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 37	I do not know for certain if this is the same issue but those of you posting here might want to check. I have found that in my online league sometimes the pitchers listed on the 7-day lineups will not clear out after a game is played even if you have "Clear lineup after use" set to YES. The byproduct of this is that when the week rolls around to the next week if you do not go and manually update the pitcher for that day it will revert to whoever pitched that day the previous week (because it did not get cleared). Despite what is listed in the schedules (which pulls from your rotation page) the 7-day lineups will supersede anything else so this can cause your #1 starter to pitch on Monday every week for example which normally will not line up properly with the rotation and cause a fatigued pitcher to start if you have force start turned on.

08-09-2009, 08:32 PM	#13
mtopham Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: around the corner from Mays Field Posts: 195	That is exactly what happens. The line-up clears off of the 7 day screen, but the pitcher does not until you update the 7 day line-ups, then the correct pitcher is inserted. The 'Scores & Schedule' screen shows the correct starter, but when the game is played it is the 7 day pitcher who did not clear from that page who starts. I don't think it's just a 7 day line-up issue, for if I start the season without setting a 7 day line-up the pitching rotation still gets messed up.

01-31-2010, 06:15 PM	#15
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,602	Ive been using 7 day lineups in a online league but it seems like no matter what i do i still see a SP pitching starting 2 games in a row. I know i did not set it that way in the lineups. Though it would be nice if the lineups always had the first schedule game on the very far left instead of sometimes in the middle. I have sub for pitcher if starter is tired but i dont see how pitcher who pitched 8 innings the day before should start over any other pitcher the very next day. My pitcher lasted 1.1 innings the next day and gave up 11 runs and my team lost 15-0. This is really quite frustrating.

01-31-2010, 09:45 PM	#16
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	Baseball Man (or others) - do you have a specific example you can show us? Screenshots would be extremely helpful, but at the very least can you tell us your rotation, their rest % to start with, your 7-day lineup, and then how it played out. Your 7-day lineup settings at the top of that screen would be very helpful as well. Unfortunately there are lots of explanations for pitchers being used without full rest, so it is hard to figure out if the program is working as intended or not without lots of details.