When do minor league options get used?

hefalumps · 07-20-2010, 02:37 PM

I have read several posts from prior versions of the game, and every time I think I have my head wrapped around minor league options, something happens in the game that goes against what I was thinking.

I understand that, in real life, a minor league option is used when a player on the 40-man/secondary roster spends more than 20 days in the minor leagues. I also understand that, in OOTP, a minor league option is used when a player on the 40-man/secondary roster spends even one single day in the minor leagues.

What I don't understand is:

1) At what point in the year does that option get "charged" or used? I thought it wouldn't get charged until the regular season began, but halfway through Spring Training I just noticed that all of my minor leaguers on the 40-man roster who were automatically called up at the beginning of ST have now used an option. I thought they would only use an option if I demoted them once the regular season started. Maybe if I had called them up prior to ST, they wouldn't have been charged an option yet?

2) Once an option is charged, how long does that option year last? Is it a calendar year? How can I track in the game how much longer I have to move the player back and forth before that option year ends? I noticed one of my players was in his "last option year", and just before I advanced to the preseason, he was suddenly "Out of options".

I'm hoping Markus or someone familiar with the code can comment and finally answer this question for me, because it's been bugging me for years, and I want to make sure I don't accidentally burn option years on players that will probably make my 25-man roster but who I might have stashed in the minors for whatever reason.

Thanks!

robc · 07-20-2010, 02:49 PM

From the manual:
How Minor League Option Years Work

Players start out with 3 minor league option years. As soon as a player spends one day on the secondary roster without being on the active roster, he is considered to be on 'optional assignment.' The moment the player has spent one day in this scenario, he uses one of his three minor league options. A player's minor league options years are visible on the Contract & Status subpage of the Player Profile.

OOTP Baseball Manual - Minor League Option Years

hefalumps · 07-20-2010, 02:57 PM

robc,

Thank you for the quick response, but I've read the manual. And the information in the manual does not answer the question to my satisfaction, hence why I went searching the forums and ultimately started this thread to see if anyone could share more of the nitty-gritty details.

Thanks anyway though.

Le Grande Orange · 07-20-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

I understand that, in real life, a minor league option is used when a player on the 40-man/secondary roster spends more than 20 days in the minor leagues.

Actually, the real-world requirement is 20 days or more. So if a player only spends 19 days on option, it won't be counted. If he spends 20 days or more, an option will be charged.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

I also understand that, in OOTP, a minor league option is used when a player on the 40-man/secondary roster spends even one single day in the minor leagues.

That is correct.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

At what point in the year does that option get "charged" or used?

In real life, an option isn't considered expended until the end of the regular season since the number of days on option must be known before it can be determined if an option was used.

A player entering a season with one option left may or may not use up that last option depending on how many days he spends in the minors. If he spends 19 days or less, an option is not considered used so he'll still have an option left for next season. If he spends 20 days or more, then an option is considered used so at the end of the season the number of options he has left drops to zero, and thus he'll have no options remaining for the next season.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

I thought it wouldn't get charged until the regular season began, but halfway through Spring Training I just noticed that all of my minor leaguers on the 40-man roster who were automatically called up at the beginning of ST have now used an option. I thought they would only use an option if I demoted them once the regular season started.

This may be nothing more than the timing of the accounting involved. As I mentioned in the prior reply, in the real world the options remaining isn't recalculated until the end of the season. OOTP seems to do the accounting immediately, in which case all it's saying is that the players have expended their option for the current season and will have one less remaining for next year.

You should still be able to move the players freely between the major and minor leagues for the current season provided they came into that season with at least one option remaining.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

Once an option is charged, how long does that option year last?

An option simply means that the major league clut has the right to freely move the player back and forth between the majors and minors during the regular season without having to request waivers. (Well, there is a technicality in real life where waivers may be required, but let's leave that aside.)

Players get three option years when they're added to the 40-man roster for the first time (leaving aside a real-world technicality where some players have four options). That means during three separate regular seasons the major league club can move that player between the majors and minors freely. Note that those three option years do not have to be consecutive. A player could spend a year in the minors, using up an option, then spend all of the next season on the major league roster, which naturally does not use up an option. He'll still have two option years left, and could be optioned to the minors during his third regular season.

In the real world, once the regular season ends, options stop operating since the minor league seasons are over. By rule all players on option must be recalled by their major league clubs on October 1st (though they are not required to actually report to the ML team). A player cannot be optionally assigned to a minor league club again until spring training begins.

To be honest, I'm not quite sure what OOTP does in regards to the off-season in terms of options I haven't actually looked at it that closely. I suspect it does not actually recreate the real-world off-season rules (though it should, as not doing so could lead to transactional problems).

hefalumps · 07-20-2010, 07:08 PM

Thanks LGO! All that makes sense - and I can always count on you for in-depth explanations on how the real-world transaction rules work. I found a lot of your comments on some of the other posts I dug up during my search.

I just wish I could find someone who had similar knowledge about the details of how OOTP does what it does with regards to options, specifically at which point in the year they get "charged" for that year and how long that option stays valid (until the end of the current regular season? until the end of the calendar year? until the start of next pre-season?) Knowing these things will help me better manage my roster.

Cryomaniac · 07-20-2010, 07:31 PM

I stand by my previous statements that the number of days needed to use an Option Year should be customisable.

hefalumps · 07-20-2010, 09:15 PM

I guess what I'll do once I have some time is create a test league and setup some different player scenarios - add players to the 40-man at different times during the year, send them to the minors at different times of the year, etc., and just sim day-by-day ignoring everything else, just monitoring both "options used" and "option years left" to see if I can figure out exactly how it all works in OOTP. In case anyone else is interested, I'll post back what I find when I eventually get the time to do it.

wellsoliver · 07-20-2010, 09:37 PM

Doesn't OOTP always pop up a message saying something like "demoting this dude will burn an option" ?

hefalumps · 07-20-2010, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wellsoliver

Doesn't OOTP always pop up a message saying something like "demoting this dude will burn an option" ?

The only pop-up I've ever gotten is if I try to demote a player who is already out of options - then it will tell me that they need to clear waivers, etc. I have never seen any notice of when a player's options go down from say three to two.

Le Grande Orange · 07-21-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I stand by my previous statements that the number of days needed to use an Option Year should be customisable.

At the very least OOTP ought to use the real-world value (20 days or more) rather than current one day or more it uses.

Historically, there have ever only been two values used in MLB: 30 days or more, and 20 days or more. The switch from 30 to 20 happened for the 1976 season.

(Note the above applies only to when optional assignments began working as they do now. Before then, optional assignments, or optional agreements/sales as they were known back then, operated rather differently. I'm not exactly sure when that older form of option turned into the option with which we are familiar.)

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

I guess what I'll do once I have some time is create a test league and setup some different player scenarios - add players to the 40-man at different times during the year, send them to the minors at different times of the year, etc., and just sim day-by-day ignoring everything else, just monitoring both "options used" and "option years left" to see if I can figure out exactly how it all works in OOTP. In case anyone else is interested, I'll post back what I find when I eventually get the time to do it.

Sounds good. I should really do that myself, but, well, I'm too lazy.

hefalumps · 07-22-2010, 01:14 AM

Alright folks... I've done some extensive research into options in OOTP. I created a test league and simmed through it a week at a time (sometimes a day at a time) very slowly, watching a select group of players in different states of optionness (is that a word?) and how they were treated. Here is what I discovered:

- The only time a player is charged with an option year is between the first day of Spring Training and the end of the regular season. A player on the 40-man roster who spends one day in the minor leagues during that time period will use an option year. That option is good for the remainder of the regular season, allowing you to move them between majors and minors at will. If you demote a player with options remaining during any point of the postseason, offseason, or preseason, no additional option year is charged.

- An option only gets charged if you advance a day. If you option Player A on May 1st and Player B gets hurt in the game on May 1st, you can recall Player A after the game and put Player B on the DL without burning one of Player A's options. As long as you haven't advanced to May 2nd with Player A in the minors, no option will be charged in this instance.

- If a player has used three options and his contract status shows as "Last option year", that option year expires on the first day of the upcoming preseason, regardless of when the option was burned. For example, let's say it's April 1972, and Player A didn't make the squad - as a result, they used up his third and final option. 1972 is now his last option year. Then let's say in August 1972, Player B, who also has only 1 option remaining, just isn't getting it done, so the team burns his third and final option and sends him to AAA. 1972 is now his last option year as well. Both of these players will be able to be moved freely between the majors and the minors up until the first day of the 1973 preseason, at which point their status will change from "Last option year" to "Out of options", and any future demotions will require waivers. The fact that Player A burned his option in April and Player B burned his option in August doesn't matter - they both expire in February of the following year.

- As part of my observations, I noticed that secondary roster service time and ML roster service time only accrue during the regular season, each with a max of up to 172 days per year. Obviously each value only increases depending on which rosters you are a part of. Placement on the disabled list does not affect service time - times increase regardless of whether a player is on the 15 or 60-day DL. If they are on the minor league DL, only their secondary roster time will increase. The "Time as professional" value only increments at the end of the calendar year (January 1).

- Note that on the first day of Spring Training, OOTP does something kind of sneaky - it charges all your minor league secondary roster players with an option year just before it promotes them all to your active roster for spring training. It would be nice if the game started enforcing options AFTER the players were automatically recalled instead of BEFORE, but it does not. So if you have any players that you think have a legitimate shot at making your 25-man roster and you don't want to waste an option year on them, make sure they're on your active roster BEFORE you advance to spring training. OOTP is nice enough to allow this now that they increased the offseason roster limit from 25 to 40.

- OOTP gives out new one-year league minimum contracts to major league players who are still in the "auto-resign" period (first three years) on the day that players file for free agency. However, if you demote any players with options between the end of the season and the free agency period, you can do it without burning an option on that player (yet), and you won't have to pay them a major league contract (yet) - they'll be assigned a minor league contract instead. You can keep these players in your minors for free without wasting options during the whole offseason to see how you do with trades and free agents. Then, during preseason, you can take those players and put them on the active roster before ST starts so they don't burn an option. At the end of ST, you can evaluate your team and make a decision on each of those players:

1) Keep the player on the active roster. You'll have to give them a league minimum major league contract on the first day of the regular season, but you won't have wasted an option on them.

2) Send the player back to the minors. You'll have to burn an option year, but you won't be wasting any payroll on them. EDIT: This behavior appears to have changed in OOTP 11, as now it seems anyone on the 40-man will be given a ML contract at the start of the regular season even if they are in the minors. Previous versions would only give them a ML contract if you called them up to the majors. As a result, the following paragraph is no longer valid.

This information is useful to me, as I was sometimes paying ML contracts to players who didn't have much of a shot at making next year's 25-man roster, and was sometimes wasting options on players who were probably going to be on my big league squad to stay. Now I can make sure I'm moving my players around properly at the right time of year to maximize flexibility.

I hope this information is useful to others. And if anyone finds anything that contradicts what I found during my testing, please let me know. I hope OOTP doesn't go and re-code the whole system for OOTP12. If they do, hopefully they will provide this level of detail in the manual so I don't have to go through this whole process again next year!

jmknpk2 · 07-22-2010, 02:37 AM

Thanks for doing the research and posting the results! Much appreciated. This information will be very useful to me.

Le Grande Orange · 07-22-2010, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

- The only time a player is charged with an option year is between the first day of Spring Training and the end of the regular season. A player on the 40-man roster who spends one day in the minor leagues during that time period will use an option year. That option is good for the remainder of the regular season, allowing you to move them between majors and minors at will.

So, as I suspected, OOTP does its accounting of when to charge an option differently from real life, but otherwise treats the option correctly.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

Both of these players will be able to be moved freely between the majors and the minors up until the first day of the 1973 preseason...

That's not how it works in real life. Options stop working as of the end of the minor league season. Once into the post-season and off-season, assignments to the minors can ONLY be outright assignments. Players cannot be optioned again until the start of spring training.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

As part of my observations, I noticed that secondary roster service time and ML roster service time only accrue during the regular season, each with a max of up to 172 days per year.

OOTP keeps track of secondary roster time for the purposes of calculating minor league free agency, which OOTP calculates as professional service time minus secondary roster time; if the result is six or more years, the player is eligible for free agency.

That is NOT how minor league free agency works. In reality, it's calculated much more simply: when a player has completed seven years of minor league service with the club that originally signed him, he is eligible to become a free agent. A year of service is equal to 30 days or more on the active or disabled list of a minor league club. Note that ANY time spent in the minors counts towards free agency; that means time spent on option is included as minor league service time.

So OOTP really doesn't need to keep track of time spent on the secondary roster.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

However, if you demote any players with options between the end of the season and the free agency period, you can do it without burning an option on that player (yet), and you won't have to pay them a major league contract (yet) - they'll be assigned a minor league contract instead.

The only kind of demotion that can happen during any part of the off-season is an outright assignment to the minors, which removes the player from the 40-man roster.

So, on the one hand, it's correct that no option is charged, since one wouldn't be in real life. But it's incorrect if OOTP allows the player to be optioned to the minors during the off-season.

In regards to the timing involved, it's interesting in that it sort of coincides with a real life limitation regarding the outrighting of 'draft-excluded' players. These are players who are added to the 40-man roster after August 15th and up to just before the Rule 5 draft. (The term 'draft-excluded' comes from the fact that adding a player to the 40-man roster excludes him from the Rule 5 draft). Draft-excluded players can only be outrighted back to the minors no later than the fifth day after the end of the World Series. If not outrighted by that date, then the player cannot be assigned to the minors and the major league club is obligated to take the player to spring training. The club can still release the player, however.

The intent of the rule is to prevent clubs from 'gaming' the Rule 5 system by adding a player to the 40-man roster to keep him out of the draft, then as soon as the draft is over outright him back to the minors.

GMLoophole · 07-22-2010, 11:31 AM

Thanks to all the posters herein for the good stuff. I would like to underline that September call-ups burn an option year. Just so newbies aren't surprised when they've tried to preserve options and burn one in September

Biggio509 · 07-22-2010, 01:53 PM

Something I have started doing not that the off season roster limit is = to your secondary roster limit is moving all 40 man roster guys to the major team when the season is over. For me it was a little easier to track them. According to the thread, it looks like I have avoided burning an option when I did not have to.

Le Grande Orange · 07-22-2010, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GMLoophole

I would like to underline that September call-ups burn an option year.

That's right. It does not matter when a player is called up, all that matters is if he spent 20 or more days in the minors during the season, he's used up an option (or, in OOTP's case, one day or more in the minors).

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Originally Posted by Biggio509

Something I have started doing not that the off season roster limit is = to your secondary roster limit is moving all 40 man roster guys to the major team when the season is over. For me it was a little easier to track them.

OOTP should be doing that automatically, IMO, because that's exactly what happens in real life, since players cannot be optioned during the off-season. And the off-season roster limit should always equal the secondary roster size.

hefalumps · 07-22-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

OOTP should be doing that automatically, IMO, because that's exactly what happens in real life, since players cannot be optioned during the off-season. And the off-season roster limit should always equal the secondary roster size.

I agree, and to an extent, OOTP does do that automatically, but a) it waits until spring training to do it and b) burns an option for all those minor-league players in the process when it really shouldn't!

Maybe in a future version Markus can have all 40-man players automatically moved to the active roster once the offseason starts. Although, the way the game is coded now, any players on the active roster when FAs file would get a league minimum contract for next year. There are definitely some folks on my 40-man roster that I don't want to pay yet, so I would hope that could be re-coded as well.

In the meantime, I've got a text file that reminds me when to do certain things regarding moving players around, so I'll just keep following that.

Le Grande Orange · 07-22-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

...and b) burns an option for all those minor-league players in the process when it really shouldn't!

That's only true if at the end of spring training you kept the player on your active roster for the entire season. If the player is a legitimately major league-ready straight off, then you're not likely to use up his three option years anway, so if he loses one as a result of OOTP's timing of the calcuation of option use it won't really matter.

A player who is still developing will likely be moved back and forth between the majors and minors, in which case the option being charged as of spring training won't matter since he'll probably spend at least some time in the minors during the season.

Now, that said, it would be better if OOTP did its accounting more in line with how it works in reality.

07-20-2010, 02:37 PM	#1
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	When do minor league options get used? I have read several posts from prior versions of the game, and every time I think I have my head wrapped around minor league options, something happens in the game that goes against what I was thinking. I understand that, in real life, a minor league option is used when a player on the 40-man/secondary roster spends more than 20 days in the minor leagues. I also understand that, in OOTP, a minor league option is used when a player on the 40-man/secondary roster spends even one single day in the minor leagues. What I don't understand is: 1) At what point in the year does that option get "charged" or used? I thought it wouldn't get charged until the regular season began, but halfway through Spring Training I just noticed that all of my minor leaguers on the 40-man roster who were automatically called up at the beginning of ST have now used an option. I thought they would only use an option if I demoted them once the regular season started. Maybe if I had called them up prior to ST, they wouldn't have been charged an option yet? 2) Once an option is charged, how long does that option year last? Is it a calendar year? How can I track in the game how much longer I have to move the player back and forth before that option year ends? I noticed one of my players was in his "last option year", and just before I advanced to the preseason, he was suddenly "Out of options". I'm hoping Markus or someone familiar with the code can comment and finally answer this question for me, because it's been bugging me for years, and I want to make sure I don't accidentally burn option years on players that will probably make my 25-man roster but who I might have stashed in the minors for whatever reason. Thanks!

07-20-2010, 07:31 PM	#6
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I stand by my previous statements that the number of days needed to use an Option Year should be customisable. __________________

07-22-2010, 01:14 AM	#11
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Alright folks... I've done some extensive research into options in OOTP. I created a test league and simmed through it a week at a time (sometimes a day at a time) very slowly, watching a select group of players in different states of optionness (is that a word?) and how they were treated. Here is what I discovered: - The only time a player is charged with an option year is between the first day of Spring Training and the end of the regular season. A player on the 40-man roster who spends one day in the minor leagues during that time period will use an option year. That option is good for the remainder of the regular season, allowing you to move them between majors and minors at will. If you demote a player with options remaining during any point of the postseason, offseason, or preseason, no additional option year is charged. - An option only gets charged if you advance a day. If you option Player A on May 1st and Player B gets hurt in the game on May 1st, you can recall Player A after the game and put Player B on the DL without burning one of Player A's options. As long as you haven't advanced to May 2nd with Player A in the minors, no option will be charged in this instance. - If a player has used three options and his contract status shows as "Last option year", that option year expires on the first day of the upcoming preseason, regardless of when the option was burned. For example, let's say it's April 1972, and Player A didn't make the squad - as a result, they used up his third and final option. 1972 is now his last option year. Then let's say in August 1972, Player B, who also has only 1 option remaining, just isn't getting it done, so the team burns his third and final option and sends him to AAA. 1972 is now his last option year as well. Both of these players will be able to be moved freely between the majors and the minors up until the first day of the 1973 preseason, at which point their status will change from "Last option year" to "Out of options", and any future demotions will require waivers. The fact that Player A burned his option in April and Player B burned his option in August doesn't matter - they both expire in February of the following year. - As part of my observations, I noticed that secondary roster service time and ML roster service time only accrue during the regular season, each with a max of up to 172 days per year. Obviously each value only increases depending on which rosters you are a part of. Placement on the disabled list does not affect service time - times increase regardless of whether a player is on the 15 or 60-day DL. If they are on the minor league DL, only their secondary roster time will increase. The "Time as professional" value only increments at the end of the calendar year (January 1). - Note that on the first day of Spring Training, OOTP does something kind of sneaky - it charges all your minor league secondary roster players with an option year just before it promotes them all to your active roster for spring training. It would be nice if the game started enforcing options AFTER the players were automatically recalled instead of BEFORE, but it does not. So if you have any players that you think have a legitimate shot at making your 25-man roster and you don't want to waste an option year on them, make sure they're on your active roster BEFORE you advance to spring training. OOTP is nice enough to allow this now that they increased the offseason roster limit from 25 to 40. - OOTP gives out new one-year league minimum contracts to major league players who are still in the "auto-resign" period (first three years) on the day that players file for free agency. However, if you demote any players with options between the end of the season and the free agency period, you can do it without burning an option on that player (yet), and you won't have to pay them a major league contract (yet) - they'll be assigned a minor league contract instead. You can keep these players in your minors for free without wasting options during the whole offseason to see how you do with trades and free agents. Then, during preseason, you can take those players and put them on the active roster before ST starts so they don't burn an option. At the end of ST, you can evaluate your team and make a decision on each of those players: 1) Keep the player on the active roster. You'll have to give them a league minimum major league contract on the first day of the regular season, but you won't have wasted an option on them. 2) Send the player back to the minors. You'll have to burn an option year, but you won't be wasting any payroll on them. EDIT: This behavior appears to have changed in OOTP 11, as now it seems anyone on the 40-man will be given a ML contract at the start of the regular season even if they are in the minors. Previous versions would only give them a ML contract if you called them up to the majors. As a result, the following paragraph is no longer valid. This information is useful to me, as I was sometimes paying ML contracts to players who didn't have much of a shot at making next year's 25-man roster, and was sometimes wasting options on players who were probably going to be on my big league squad to stay. Now I can make sure I'm moving my players around properly at the right time of year to maximize flexibility. I hope this information is useful to others. And if anyone finds anything that contradicts what I found during my testing, please let me know. I hope OOTP doesn't go and re-code the whole system for OOTP12. If they do, hopefully they will provide this level of detail in the manual so I don't have to go through this whole process again next year! Last edited by hefalumps; 10-20-2010 at 12:24 AM.

07-22-2010, 11:31 AM	#14
GMLoophole All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 863	September call-ups Thanks to all the posters herein for the good stuff. I would like to underline that September call-ups burn an option year. Just so newbies aren't surprised when they've tried to preserve options and burn one in September

07-20-2010, 02:49 PM	#2
robc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,095	From the manual: How Minor League Option Years Work Players start out with 3 minor league option years. As soon as a player spends one day on the secondary roster without being on the active roster, he is considered to be on 'optional assignment.' The moment the player has spent one day in this scenario, he uses one of his three minor league options. A player's minor league options years are visible on the Contract & Status subpage of the Player Profile. OOTP Baseball Manual - Minor League Option Years

07-20-2010, 02:57 PM	#3
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	robc, Thank you for the quick response, but I've read the manual. And the information in the manual does not answer the question to my satisfaction, hence why I went searching the forums and ultimately started this thread to see if anyone could share more of the nitty-gritty details. Thanks anyway though.

07-20-2010, 07:08 PM	#5
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Thanks LGO! All that makes sense - and I can always count on you for in-depth explanations on how the real-world transaction rules work. I found a lot of your comments on some of the other posts I dug up during my search. I just wish I could find someone who had similar knowledge about the details of how OOTP does what it does with regards to options, specifically at which point in the year they get "charged" for that year and how long that option stays valid (until the end of the current regular season? until the end of the calendar year? until the start of next pre-season?) Knowing these things will help me better manage my roster.

07-20-2010, 09:15 PM	#7
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	I guess what I'll do once I have some time is create a test league and setup some different player scenarios - add players to the 40-man at different times during the year, send them to the minors at different times of the year, etc., and just sim day-by-day ignoring everything else, just monitoring both "options used" and "option years left" to see if I can figure out exactly how it all works in OOTP. In case anyone else is interested, I'll post back what I find when I eventually get the time to do it.

07-20-2010, 09:37 PM	#8
wellsoliver Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 337	Doesn't OOTP always pop up a message saying something like "demoting this dude will burn an option" ?

07-22-2010, 02:37 AM	#12
jmknpk2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 982	Thanks for doing the research and posting the results! Much appreciated. This information will be very useful to me.

07-22-2010, 01:53 PM	#15
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	Something I have started doing not that the off season roster limit is = to your secondary roster limit is moving all 40 man roster guys to the major team when the season is over. For me it was a little easier to track them. According to the thread, it looks like I have avoided burning an option when I did not have to.