Suspended Player Playing???

Bless You Boys · 07-22-2010, 03:16 PM

Hey I was playing a 3 games series when in the 1st game there was a brawl, suspensions handed out, but in the 3rd game of the series the opposing suspended player started the game. I looked at his player profile and it said he was suspended for 5 more games, btw he only played that 1 time during his suspension. I'm using OOTP 11 vers 11.2.18

damientheomen3 · 07-22-2010, 03:38 PM

I remember in OOTP 10 I gave a guy a 162 game suspension but he still played like 15 games. I'll try to recreate that in OOTP 11 and if I can, I'll send in a ticket.

Bless You Boys · 07-22-2010, 04:20 PM

K thanks Damien, I don't know how to recreate stuff yet or I'd try too

hefalumps · 07-22-2010, 04:28 PM

This just happened to me, but it was in spring training. I saw in the news that the guy was suspended the previous day, and since my team was playing him the next day, I thought to myself "Oh good, we don't have to face him now." But when the game started, he was in the lineup - despite his profile saying he was suspended.

I just thought that maybe the suspension didn't go into effect until the regular season started. I'll have to see if he still shows as suspended on Opening Day and if he actually sits out the proper number of games.

CalvinHobbes · 07-22-2010, 05:18 PM

If I remember correctly, I had a similar thing happen in ST. A player of mine was suspended for five games and I was unable to play him at all in ST, which I thought was unfair, he still needs to get ready for the season, and then he was still suspended for the first five games of the season.

This was a couple of season ago, though, not sure if my details are exactly correct.

damientheomen3 · 07-22-2010, 05:43 PM

Okay, I reproduced the problem easily. I created a new league with a 162 game schedule, passed through ST, and took 2 batters and 2 pitchers (in both cases it was 1 great and 1 decent) and suspended them for 162 games. Neither of the pitchers ever played, but 1 batter played in 1 game and the other played in 9. I'll submit a ticket later today.

BMW · 07-22-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

Okay, I reproduced the problem easily. I created a new league with a 162 game schedule, passed through ST, and took 2 batters and 2 pitchers (in both cases it was 1 great and 1 decent) and suspended them for 162 games. Neither of the pitchers ever played, but 1 batter played in 1 game and the other played in 9. I'll submit a ticket later today.

Any similarities on how they entered the game? Did they start? Pinch hit? Pinch run? Defensive replacement?

hefalumps · 07-22-2010, 06:14 PM

On a related note, should you be able to option a suspended player to the minors? I did that one year - I had a rookie utility infielder that got himself suspended for 9 games, and I couldn't afford to be without a backup infielder for that long, so I tried demoting him. To my surprise, it worked. He served out his suspension in AAA.

I normally don't like taking advantage of "loopholes", but since I wasn't sure what the exact rules were regarding suspensions and replacement players in real life, I just let it go. When someone is suspended in real life MLB, does the team get to temporarily fill their spot with someone? Or did the Dodgers play 50 games with only a 24-man roster when Manny was suspended?

damientheomen3 · 07-22-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW

Any similarities on how they entered the game? Did they start? Pinch hit? Pinch run? Defensive replacement?

They both started these games, and odd enough, all of the games that they started were at the end of the season. I'll test it again, but this time setting the suspension length to more than 162 so as to see if maybe OOTP is taking off multiple games from the suspension from time to time for some reason.

damientheomen3 · 07-22-2010, 08:04 PM

Alright, I went with 250 game suspensions for each of the 2 batters. One didn't play all season, and his suspension amount at the end was 88 games, which was the right amount. However, the other guy...

He got traded during the season, and his suspension amount was 86 games, despite neither team playing 164 games and balanced schedules being on. He played in 5 games as well.

BusterKing · 12-04-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

On a related note, should you be able to option a suspended player to the minors? I did that one year - I had a rookie utility infielder that got himself suspended for 9 games, and I couldn't afford to be without a backup infielder for that long, so I tried demoting him. To my surprise, it worked. He served out his suspension in AAA.

I normally don't like taking advantage of "loopholes", but since I wasn't sure what the exact rules were regarding suspensions and replacement players in real life, I just let it go. When someone is suspended in real life MLB, does the team get to temporarily fill their spot with someone? Or did the Dodgers play 50 games with only a 24-man roster when Manny was suspended?

So what's the answer to this question, can a suspended player be sent to the minors? Because you can do this in OOTP.

PSUColonel · 12-09-2010, 07:13 PM

I have a player who was suspended for 5 games in spring training, but hasn't played the entire spring!! Not sure what will happen when I get to the regular season?? This is clearly a bug.

damientheomen3 · 12-09-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I have a player who was suspended for 5 games in spring training, but hasn't played the entire spring!! Not sure what will happen when I get to the regular season?? This is clearly a bug.

Yeah, suspended players don't play in spring. He'll serve his suspension in the regular season and then come back. I hope this is fixed in OOTP 12.

hefalumps · 12-10-2010, 05:49 PM

OK - I can confirm that sometimes when players get suspended they can still play. So there's three different bugs here:

1) Apparently you send suspended players to the minors (assuming they have options), which I am not sure you should be able to do
2) If a player gets suspended in spring training, he sometimes won't play all spring because his "days suspended" counter won't start until the regular season games begin
3) Sometimes when a player gets suspended, he still plays in games.

Here's what happened in my situation... it's kind of amusing...

My 1987 Orioles were getting embarassed by the Yankees. It was the 7th inning and Bruce Hurst was the latest in a line of pitchers that couldn't get anyone out. There were runners on first and third with one out, the score was 10-2, and the runner at first stole second base. Naturally Hurst plunked Mike Pagliarulo at the plate with first base open to put the double play back in order.

Then, Hurst threw a wild pitch to move everyone up a base. First base was again open. In his frustration, Hurst drilled Don Mattingly to load the bases again.

Finally, Hurst got called for a balk. To fill the new vacancy at first, Hurst threw one in Steve Balboni's ear. Balboni charged the mount, and both he and Hurst were ejected suspended 7 games.

In the following day's game against the Yankees, Balboni is in the starting lineup. I checked both players as commissioner and their "Suspension Data" is exactly the same - "Suspended" is checked and the number of days is the same. But the Yankees can still play Balboni, but I can't warm up or substitute Hurst from my bullpen.

Damien, have you filed a bug report for both bugs (moving to minors and playing while suspended)? I explained it away by saying that Balboni was appealing his suspension since clearly Hurst was at fault for instigating the whole thing. But still, I'd like to know why the AI doesn't always have to play by the rules.

MikeyB · 12-11-2010, 03:23 PM

Just had my 1st suspended player play. Started, got in a brawl and was suspended for 2 games. Next day he started again and got into another brawl, suspended 5 games this time.

Not sure how many times this has happened, the only reason I caught it was because he happened to get suspended the next day.

hefalumps · 01-30-2011, 10:36 AM

Just saw another instance of this again... another game with the Yankees. I also discovered a new way to get around a suspension.

It's August 25th, and in a critical game, Mark Littell gives up a tie-breaking homer to Jay Buhner (yes, the Yankees didn't trade him for Ken Phelps yet in my universe). I gently suggested that Littell plunk Mike Marshall, the next batter, to vent his frustration. Marshall goes berserk and the benches empty. Ejections, etc.

I find out after the game that both Marshall and Littell were suspended 13 games. Yes, 13 games. I hadn't seen a suspension that lengthy before for a brawl.

Of course, in the following day's game, Marshall was back in the lineup. Once again I'll just pretend he was just appealing his suspension or whatever. But I didn't have that option with my player. I was in the middle of a pennant race, and Littell was my only right-handed longman in the pen. Fortunately I had September 1st coming soon, but I still had another week to get through.

So I decided to get creative. Littell is nearing the end of his career and is slightly overpaid. I decided to DFA him and put him on waivers, gambling no one would claim him, and then in seven days when September rolled around, I'd put him back on the active roster. Then he could serve out his 13-game suspension in September when I'd have the extra bullpen help.

The game allowed me to do this, and he cleared waivers. But interestingly enough, he also got credit for serving his suspension time while he was DFA as well. It's August 31st and his suspension days are down to 8.

So another bug/oddity/loophole with regards to suspensions.

prodgers · 01-30-2011, 01:43 PM

Suspensions in my league go by days not games. If a player is suspended for 162 days then yes he would be available toward the end of the season because of travel and rest days during the schedule.

07-22-2010, 03:16 PM	#1
Bless You Boys Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 20	Suspended Player Playing??? Hey I was playing a 3 games series when in the 1st game there was a brawl, suspensions handed out, but in the 3rd game of the series the opposing suspended player started the game. I looked at his player profile and it said he was suspended for 5 more games, btw he only played that 1 time during his suspension. I'm using OOTP 11 vers 11.2.18

07-22-2010, 05:18 PM	#5
CalvinHobbes Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Calgary Posts: 424	If I remember correctly, I had a similar thing happen in ST. A player of mine was suspended for five games and I was unable to play him at all in ST, which I thought was unfair, he still needs to get ready for the season, and then he was still suspended for the first five games of the season. This was a couple of season ago, though, not sure if my details are exactly correct. __________________ In my opinion, we don't devote nearly enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks.

12-10-2010, 05:49 PM	#14
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,386	OK - I can confirm that sometimes when players get suspended they can still play. So there's three different bugs here: 1) Apparently you send suspended players to the minors (assuming they have options), which I am not sure you should be able to do 2) If a player gets suspended in spring training, he sometimes won't play all spring because his "days suspended" counter won't start until the regular season games begin 3) Sometimes when a player gets suspended, he still plays in games. Here's what happened in my situation... it's kind of amusing... My 1987 Orioles were getting embarassed by the Yankees. It was the 7th inning and Bruce Hurst was the latest in a line of pitchers that couldn't get anyone out. There were runners on first and third with one out, the score was 10-2, and the runner at first stole second base. Naturally Hurst plunked Mike Pagliarulo at the plate with first base open to put the double play back in order. Then, Hurst threw a wild pitch to move everyone up a base. First base was again open. In his frustration, Hurst drilled Don Mattingly to load the bases again. Finally, Hurst got called for a balk. To fill the new vacancy at first, Hurst threw one in Steve Balboni's ear. Balboni charged the mount, and both he and Hurst were ejected suspended 7 games. In the following day's game against the Yankees, Balboni is in the starting lineup. I checked both players as commissioner and their "Suspension Data" is exactly the same - "Suspended" is checked and the number of days is the same. But the Yankees can still play Balboni, but I can't warm up or substitute Hurst from my bullpen. Damien, have you filed a bug report for both bugs (moving to minors and playing while suspended)? I explained it away by saying that Balboni was appealing his suspension since clearly Hurst was at fault for instigating the whole thing. But still, I'd like to know why the AI doesn't always have to play by the rules. Last edited by hefalumps; 12-10-2010 at 05:54 PM.

12-11-2010, 03:23 PM	#15
MikeyB Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 118	Just had my 1st suspended player play. Started, got in a brawl and was suspended for 2 games. Next day he started again and got into another brawl, suspended 5 games this time. Not sure how many times this has happened, the only reason I caught it was because he happened to get suspended the next day. __________________ BML Commish www.ootp-bml.com

07-22-2010, 04:20 PM	#3
Bless You Boys Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 20	K thanks Damien, I don't know how to recreate stuff yet or I'd try too

07-22-2010, 04:28 PM	#4
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,386	This just happened to me, but it was in spring training. I saw in the news that the guy was suspended the previous day, and since my team was playing him the next day, I thought to myself "Oh good, we don't have to face him now." But when the game started, he was in the lineup - despite his profile saying he was suspended. I just thought that maybe the suspension didn't go into effect until the regular season started. I'll have to see if he still shows as suspended on Opening Day and if he actually sits out the proper number of games.

07-22-2010, 06:14 PM	#8
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,386	On a related note, should you be able to option a suspended player to the minors? I did that one year - I had a rookie utility infielder that got himself suspended for 9 games, and I couldn't afford to be without a backup infielder for that long, so I tried demoting him. To my surprise, it worked. He served out his suspension in AAA. I normally don't like taking advantage of "loopholes", but since I wasn't sure what the exact rules were regarding suspensions and replacement players in real life, I just let it go. When someone is suspended in real life MLB, does the team get to temporarily fill their spot with someone? Or did the Dodgers play 50 games with only a 24-man roster when Manny was suspended?

12-09-2010, 07:13 PM	#12
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,124	I have a player who was suspended for 5 games in spring training, but hasn't played the entire spring!! Not sure what will happen when I get to the regular season?? This is clearly a bug.

01-30-2011, 10:36 AM	#16
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,386	Just saw another instance of this again... another game with the Yankees. I also discovered a new way to get around a suspension. It's August 25th, and in a critical game, Mark Littell gives up a tie-breaking homer to Jay Buhner (yes, the Yankees didn't trade him for Ken Phelps yet in my universe). I gently suggested that Littell plunk Mike Marshall, the next batter, to vent his frustration. Marshall goes berserk and the benches empty. Ejections, etc. I find out after the game that both Marshall and Littell were suspended 13 games. Yes, 13 games. I hadn't seen a suspension that lengthy before for a brawl. Of course, in the following day's game, Marshall was back in the lineup. Once again I'll just pretend he was just appealing his suspension or whatever. But I didn't have that option with my player. I was in the middle of a pennant race, and Littell was my only right-handed longman in the pen. Fortunately I had September 1st coming soon, but I still had another week to get through. So I decided to get creative. Littell is nearing the end of his career and is slightly overpaid. I decided to DFA him and put him on waivers, gambling no one would claim him, and then in seven days when September rolled around, I'd put him back on the active roster. Then he could serve out his 13-game suspension in September when I'd have the extra bullpen help. The game allowed me to do this, and he cleared waivers. But interestingly enough, he also got credit for serving his suspension time while he was DFA as well. It's August 31st and his suspension days are down to 8. So another bug/oddity/loophole with regards to suspensions.

01-30-2011, 01:43 PM	#17
prodgers Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 233	Suspensions in my league go by days not games. If a player is suspended for 162 days then yes he would be available toward the end of the season because of travel and rest days during the schedule.