Firings/Hirings - Too Many?

[Bluenoser]

Just playing through my first season with new patch. Started new game.

Started with rosters as of trade deadline, start date 15 Aug.

Since the season began, there have been numerous firings.

19 Nov - Edmonton fired Dallas Eakins
05 Dec - Colorado fires Patrick Roy
11 Dec - Minnesota fired Mike Yeo
14 Dec - Ottawa fired Paul McLean
15 Dec - Montreal fires Michel Therrien (wish this would happen irl)
21 Dec - St. Louis fires Ken Hitchcock
04 Jan - Montreal fires Paul McLean??? They just hired him 3 weeks ago
12 Jan - Detroit fires Mike Babcock
14 Jan - New York Islanders fire Jack Capuano
25 Jan - Los Angeles fires Darryl Sutter
28 Jan - Washington fires Adam Oates
06 Feb - Winnipeg fires Fletcher Seeback
01 Mar - Florida fires Peter Horachek
07 Apr - Minnesota fires Kevin Dineen
10 Apr - Arizona fires Dave Tippett

Also, Montreal, Nashville, Detroit, Buffalo all fired their GM's during the season.


This seems like a lot of firings/hirings for one season.

Comments?

[Crombeen]

Way too much in my opinion, looks like there is a periodic check ( each week ) inside the script that works with a boolean - True or False.

If a GM or coach passes X points during that week he stays if not he gets fired. Also Mike Babcock being fired from the Red Wings seems a little bold there. He should have some credits of the past few years.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by Crombeen

Way too much in my opinion, looks like there is a periodic check ( each week ) inside the script that works with a boolean - True or False.

If a GM or coach passes X points during that week he stays if not he gets fired. Also Mike Babcock being fired from the Red Wings seems a little bold there. He should have some credits of the past few years.

Tell me about it, the fact they fired Ken Holland just blows me away. He's one of the best GM's ever.

[Chorc]

o.o

That's alot of firing in a season.

Heck, there are probably 5 (on an average season) firings in an actual NHL season.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by Chorc

o.o

That's alot of firing in a season.

Heck, there are probably 5 (on an average season) firings in an actual NHL season.

The firing frequency is based on data in a 2006 study published in Managerial and Decision Economics. The average number of coaching departures in the NHL over a 30-year period ending in 2002 was 11.2 per season (with the league much smaller than it is now in many of those years.) A small number of those were retirements, but the vast majority were firings/non-renewals. I also checked more recent seasons, and that average appears to have held steady.

What may be a bit out of balance is the number of in-season firings vs. the number of post-season ones. We don't seem to be getting enough of the latter, when the ratio should be about 2:1. But the total number is in the right range.

Firing multiple coaches in quick succession isn't intended, there are big negative modifiers to the firing chance for the second coach in a season. So something's going wrong there and we'll check it out.

The owner patience ratings need some review, too - the Detroit firings happen because the Wings are having a weak season after a long period of success. Mike Ilitch, though, seems to be more patient than that, so that'll get reflected when I update the owner data. But I have seen more than a few "fire Babcock" comments from Wings fans in the last couple of years, at least prior to the Olympics.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by Crombeen

Way too much in my opinion, looks like there is a periodic check ( each week ) inside the script that works with a boolean - True or False.

If a GM or coach passes X points during that week he stays if not he gets fired. Also Mike Babcock being fired from the Red Wings seems a little bold there. He should have some credits of the past few years.

Not even remotely close to how it works.

[Bluenoser]

Originally Posted by JeffR

The firing frequency is based on data in a 2006 study published in Managerial and Decision Economics. The average number of coaching departures in the NHL over a 30-year period ending in 2002 was 11.2 per season (with the league much smaller than it is now in many of those years.) A small number of those were retirements, but the vast majority were firings/non-renewals. I also checked more recent seasons, and that average appears to have held steady.

What may be a bit out of balance is the number of in-season firings vs. the number of post-season ones. We don't seem to be getting enough of the latter, when the ratio should be about 2:1. But the total number is in the right range.

Firing multiple coaches in quick succession isn't intended, there are big negative modifiers to the firing chance for the second coach in a season. So something's going wrong there and we'll check it out.

The owner patience ratings need some review, too - the Detroit firings happen because the Wings are having a weak season after a long period of success. Mike Ilitch, though, seems to be more patient than that, so that'll get reflected when I update the owner data. But I have seen more than a few "fire Babcock" comments from Wings fans in the last couple of years, at least prior to the Olympics.

Thanks for the update Jeff.

Question - does the game differentiate between firings/non renewals?

I'm not questioning the data you provided, but 15 firings during the season (1/2 the league) seems high even by those standards. Just wondering if some of these should have been non-renewals during the off season?

Thanks again. Game is looking great.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Thanks for the update Jeff.

Question - does the game differentiate between firings/non renewals?

I'm not questioning the data you provided, but 15 firings during the season (1/2 the league) seems high even by those standards. Just wondering if some of these should have been non-renewals during the off season?

Thanks again. Game is looking great.

15's unusually high, my test games yesterday were getting 7-10. That may have just been a bad run of luck, possibly compounded by the issue with multiple firings by one team in a season.

There's no differentiation between non-renewals and firings right now - contracts will autorenew if the coach isn't fired. There's a system, separate from the in-season firings, that decides after the end of the season whether or not to keep the coach, so that covers what would technically be non-renewals if the coach was in the last year of his contract. I know we were getting the desired 3-4 firings per year from it earlier in testing, but I'm not seeing many now that I look through some more recent test saves.

[omjo]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Just playing through my first season with new patch. Started new game.

Started with rosters as of trade deadline, start date 15 Aug.

Since the season began, there have been numerous firings.

19 Nov - Edmonton fired Dallas Eakins
05 Dec - Colorado fires Patrick Roy
11 Dec - Minnesota fired Mike Yeo
14 Dec - Ottawa fired Paul McLean
15 Dec - Montreal fires Michel Therrien (wish this would happen irl)
21 Dec - St. Louis fires Ken Hitchcock
04 Jan - Montreal fires Paul McLean??? They just hired him 3 weeks ago
12 Jan - Detroit fires Mike Babcock
14 Jan - New York Islanders fire Jack Capuano
25 Jan - Los Angeles fires Darryl Sutter
28 Jan - Washington fires Adam Oates
06 Feb - Winnipeg fires Fletcher Seeback
01 Mar - Florida fires Peter Horachek
07 Apr - Minnesota fires Kevin Dineen
10 Apr - Arizona fires Dave Tippett

Also, Montreal, Nashville, Detroit, Buffalo all fired their GM's during the season.


This seems like a lot of firings/hirings for one season.

Comments?

I officially love this game lol

[Empach]

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

05 Dec - Colorado fires Patrick Roy

I officially hate this game lol

[kohut]

I can appreciate 1 in 3 coaches being fired every year. Its just Paul McLean being fired 3 weeks later is bizarre.

It depends whether you believe in bad luck.

[JeffR]

Originally Posted by kohut

I can appreciate 1 in 3 coaches being fired every year. Its just Paul McLean being fired 3 weeks later is bizarre.

Yeah, that's not supposed to be happening. It should require an early-season firing and then a complete collapse after that to get two firings in one season - three weeks is basically an impossibly short time to accumulate enough problems to get another firing. Either something's not getting reset properly after the firing, or a modifier isn't being applied correctly.

[StrikeFour]

Originally Posted by omjo

I officially love this game lol

In the next version I hope they add the ability for coaches who get fired that early to file grievances against the league.