Help me with my Cy Young

zukes · 12-28-2015, 05:30 PM

When these threads come up, I feel like they usually have a pretty obvious answer, but maybe I am missing something in this scenario as I have no idea who should win. Please help. My league is based on modern parameters. Bolded items indicate led league

Torvald Van Alpen - 14-5, 3.48ERA, 204.1IP, 1.15 WHIP, 221K, 29BB, 7.2WAR 9.9K/9, 1.3BB/9, 2.9WPA, 2.74FIP

Roberto Andinomaldona - 16-5, 3.06ERA, 197.0IP, 1.01 WHIP, 235K, 39BB, 6.1WAR, 10.7K/9, 1.8BB/9, 2.5WPA, 2.94FIP

Gerald van Halen (haha) - 15-4, 2.34ERA, 165.1IP, 1.07 WHIP, 192K, 60BB, 4.8WAR, 10.5K/9, 3.3BB/9, 3.1WPA, 3.06FIP

Salvador "Bow Wow" Diaz - 16-10, 2.96ERA, 209.2IP, 1.04 WHIP, 249K, 47BB, 4.7WAR, 10.7K/9, 2.0BB/9, 3.2WPA, 3.59FIP

Jose "Shock" Sanchez - 14-10, 3.35ERA, 226.0IP, 1.13 WHIP, 171K, 21BB (lowest BB/9 at 0.8), 5.8WAR, 6.8K/9, 0.8BB/9. 2.7WPA, 3.20FIP

Pat "Free Fall" Rhodes - 14-6, 3.44ERA, 204.0IP, 1.18 WHIP, 233K, 53BB, 5.9WAR, 10.3K/9, 2.3BB/9, 2.0WPA, 3.07FIP

Kane "The Bull" Dinning - 18-8, 4.00ERA, 211.2IP, 1.20WHIP, 212K, 36BB, 5.5WAR, 9.0K/9, 1.5BB/9, -0.3WPA, 3.40FIP

GoPedro99 · 12-28-2015, 05:36 PM

Diaz. I'd say van halen but Diaz has less walks and more k's and he also pitched a lot more innings

actionjackson · 12-28-2015, 06:31 PM

Could you possibly provide WPA numbers for these guys? Thanks. Yeah, I'm nerdy. I know.

Cod · 12-28-2015, 07:15 PM

I voted Roberto Andinomaldona. Based on the stats provided, he missed the most bats, averaged 1.2 Ks per inning, and kept the walks "in check". He may have had the best defense behind him also, but I stand by my decision.

Reed · 12-28-2015, 07:26 PM

I like Alpen with better than 1 KO per inning and extremely low number of walks.
Probably the best combination of stuff and control.

NoOne · 12-29-2015, 12:28 AM

If van halen had pitched a full year with those relative stats, he'd be my choice.

since that's fantasy, the two top vote getters are hard to choose between. (at this moment Andinomaldona and diaz).

even beyond those two you could argue it's a flip of the coin. depends on how much you trust FiP et al. especially within the confines of the video game.

JMDurron · 12-29-2015, 09:15 AM

The biggest thing that a pitcher can do to help his team win is to keep runners off the bases, so I went with Andinomaldona for his lowest WHIP, plus enough IP to indicate a full season and enough K to tell me he had dominant stuff as well. His ERA is also close enough to the rest of the pack to indicate that he didn't hurt himself by being a HR machine.

Marsupilami · 12-29-2015, 10:29 AM

for the future i would post K/9 and BB/9 instead of the total numbers. (if you include IP as u did here)
i personally also prefer FIP and ERA+ over the simple ERA

zukes · 12-29-2015, 08:43 PM

Added in K/9, BB/9, WPA and FIP. The bottom 3 have no votes and those stats especially do not help Dinning's case, the reigning Cy Young winner. Thanks for the votes. I am nearing the end of the playoffs and this will decide my Cy Young vote. It's a tight race.

zukes · 12-29-2015, 10:53 PM

Crap, season done and 3 guys got 8 votes....guess I let the game pick

zukes · 12-29-2015, 11:11 PM

So to wrap it up, the game chose:

3rd: Van Alpen

2nd: Lloyd Schep - 18-7, 2.75ERA, 226.0IP, 1.18WHIP, 190K, 60BB, 4.7WAR, 7.6K/9, 2.4BB/9, 2.9WPA, 3.71FIP

1st: Gerald van Halen

Thanks to all who voted!

View Poll Results: Cy Young Winner
Van Alpen	9	26.47%
Andinomaldona	11	32.35%
van Halen	5	14.71%
Diaz	9	26.47%
Sanchez	0	0%
Rhodes	0	0%
Dinning	0	0%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

12-28-2015, 05:30 PM	#1
zukes All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 1,106	Help me with my Cy Young When these threads come up, I feel like they usually have a pretty obvious answer, but maybe I am missing something in this scenario as I have no idea who should win. Please help. My league is based on modern parameters. Bolded items indicate led league Torvald Van Alpen - 14-5, 3.48ERA, 204.1IP, 1.15 WHIP, 221K, 29BB, 7.2WAR 9.9K/9, 1.3BB/9, 2.9WPA, 2.74FIP Roberto Andinomaldona - 16-5, 3.06ERA, 197.0IP, 1.01 WHIP, 235K, 39BB, 6.1WAR, 10.7K/9, 1.8BB/9, 2.5WPA, 2.94FIP Gerald van Halen (haha) - 15-4, 2.34ERA, 165.1IP, 1.07 WHIP, 192K, 60BB, 4.8WAR, 10.5K/9, 3.3BB/9, 3.1WPA, 3.06FIP Salvador "Bow Wow" Diaz - 16-10, 2.96ERA, 209.2IP, 1.04 WHIP, 249K, 47BB, 4.7WAR, 10.7K/9, 2.0BB/9, 3.2WPA, 3.59FIP Jose "Shock" Sanchez - 14-10, 3.35ERA, 226.0IP, 1.13 WHIP, 171K, 21BB (lowest BB/9 at 0.8), 5.8WAR, 6.8K/9, 0.8BB/9. 2.7WPA, 3.20FIP Pat "Free Fall" Rhodes - 14-6, 3.44ERA, 204.0IP, 1.18 WHIP, 233K, 53BB, 5.9WAR, 10.3K/9, 2.3BB/9, 2.0WPA, 3.07FIP Kane "The Bull" Dinning - 18-8, 4.00ERA, 211.2IP, 1.20WHIP, 212K, 36BB, 5.5WAR, 9.0K/9, 1.5BB/9, -0.3WPA, 3.40FIP Last edited by zukes; 12-29-2015 at 08:42 PM.

12-29-2015, 10:53 PM	#10
zukes All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 1,106	Crap, season done and 3 guys got 8 votes....guess I let the game pick Last edited by zukes; 12-29-2015 at 10:57 PM.

12-28-2015, 05:36 PM	#2
GoPedro99 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 861	Diaz. I'd say van halen but Diaz has less walks and more k's and he also pitched a lot more innings

12-28-2015, 06:31 PM	#3
actionjackson Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 6,181	Could you possibly provide WPA numbers for these guys? Thanks. Yeah, I'm nerdy. I know.

12-28-2015, 07:15 PM	#4
Cod All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 1,111	I voted Roberto Andinomaldona. Based on the stats provided, he missed the most bats, averaged 1.2 Ks per inning, and kept the walks "in check". He may have had the best defense behind him also, but I stand by my decision.

12-28-2015, 07:26 PM	#5
Reed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 2,339	I like Alpen with better than 1 KO per inning and extremely low number of walks. Probably the best combination of stuff and control.

12-29-2015, 12:28 AM	#6
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	If van halen had pitched a full year with those relative stats, he'd be my choice. since that's fantasy, the two top vote getters are hard to choose between. (at this moment Andinomaldona and diaz). even beyond those two you could argue it's a flip of the coin. depends on how much you trust FiP et al. especially within the confines of the video game.

12-29-2015, 09:15 AM	#7
JMDurron All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,262	The biggest thing that a pitcher can do to help his team win is to keep runners off the bases, so I went with Andinomaldona for his lowest WHIP, plus enough IP to indicate a full season and enough K to tell me he had dominant stuff as well. His ERA is also close enough to the rest of the pack to indicate that he didn't hurt himself by being a HR machine.

12-29-2015, 10:29 AM	#8
Marsupilami Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 328	for the future i would post K/9 and BB/9 instead of the total numbers. (if you include IP as u did here) i personally also prefer FIP and ERA+ over the simple ERA

12-29-2015, 08:43 PM	#9
zukes All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 1,106	Added in K/9, BB/9, WPA and FIP. The bottom 3 have no votes and those stats especially do not help Dinning's case, the reigning Cy Young winner. Thanks for the votes. I am nearing the end of the playoffs and this will decide my Cy Young vote. It's a tight race.

12-29-2015, 11:11 PM	#11
zukes All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: London, Ont. Canada Posts: 1,106	So to wrap it up, the game chose: 3rd: Van Alpen 2nd: Lloyd Schep - 18-7, 2.75ERA, 226.0IP, 1.18WHIP, 190K, 60BB, 4.7WAR, 7.6K/9, 2.4BB/9, 2.9WPA, 3.71FIP 1st: Gerald van Halen Thanks to all who voted!