Major and minor league teams.

[rjl518]

here are a few questions...

since now major and minor league teams are grouped together...

does this mean that when you start a new historical league, (A) will the minor league teams be included now for the majors during that time period, and (b) will there be an option for to include the minors for that historical league...

also, which modder's artwork are you going to have included for the jerseys, ballcaps and logos, for the MLB/MILB quickstarts you guys will probably have..

so many to choose from...Pwal, reds1, Nopepper, justafan, just to name a few,,

also, will the automatic ballcap logo and jersey function be fixed when a new year is cycle and the correct templates are loaded up?

[Markus Heinsohn]

a) no.
b) it will be like in OOTP 15.
Mods: None, we create our own jerseys etc.

[Cryomaniac]

For the official MLB logos, what style will they be in? Will they be circular or something or will they be how they appear on real life jerseys / caps with a 150x150 transparent background?

[The Wolf]

And they didn't build Justafan's logo, jersey and cap utilities into the game either.

[David Watts]

I understand why having the real minor leagues would be cool, but wouldn't the teams be filled primarily with ghost players? I guess if you use a modded database that imports prior a players MLB debut you might develop larger rosters, but for the most part players are limited when playing historical. Not picking at the suggestion, just wondering if I'm missing something.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I understand why having the real minor leagues would be cool, but wouldn't the teams be filled primarily with ghost players? I guess if you use a modded database that imports prior a players MLB debut you might develop larger rosters, but for the most part players are limited when playing historical. Not picking at the suggestion, just wondering if I'm missing something.

The main issue is I think the amount of work it would be to get the structures right from year to year. There are and have been a lot of changes. As for players, I think it would probably end up being mostly ghost players since there isn't much in the way of complete records for minor league rosters (some exists, but it's not complete).

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I understand why having the real minor leagues would be cool, but wouldn't the teams be filled primarily with ghost players? I guess if you use a modded database that imports prior a players MLB debut you might develop larger rosters, but for the most part players are limited when playing historical. Not picking at the suggestion, just wondering if I'm missing something.

Well, the beauty of it is that it would provide an incentive for someone to work on filling out a db with milb players. Spritze does this a bit now, but he'd surely get some help if this was implemented.

It's the first, major step toward eventually being able to recreate a world that include historical MiLB players as well as MLB guys. Without it, that will never happen. With it, it's just a matter of time.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Well, the beauty of it is that it would provide an incentive for someone to work on filling out a db with milb players. Spritze does this a bit now, but he'd surely get some help if this was implemented.

SABR has been doing such a project for a few years now, though the data won't be available as a database (since historical minor league player statistics will never be 100% accurate).

The results of SABR's efforts are showing up on Baseball-Reference.com, however.

[mgom27]

From when the game first came out is a starting point for full Minor League Teams.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Well, the beauty of it is that it would provide an incentive for someone to work on filling out a db with milb players. Spritze does this a bit now, but he'd surely get some help if this was implemented.

It's the first, major step toward eventually being able to recreate a world that include historical MiLB players as well as MLB guys. Without it, that will never happen. With it, it's just a matter of time.

That's where I messed up in my thinking. I wasn't thinking of someone actually adding all the minor league players. I was thinking of only using the mlb debut players that are part of the lahman database.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by mgom27

From when the game first came out is a starting point for full Minor League Teams.

That is probably an interesting point, actually. OOTP 1 came out in when, 1999? There probably are fairly complete records from then onwards.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

SABR has been doing such a project for a few years now, though the data won't be available as a database (since historical minor league player statistics will never be 100% accurate).

The results of SABR's efforts are showing up on Baseball-Reference.com, however.

Yeah, B-Ref's minor league data has gotten much more comprehensive lately.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

That is probably an interesting point, actually. OOTP 1 came out in when, 1999? There probably are fairly complete records from then onwards.

I think there are actually pretty full records from the 50's or 60's (and even significantly earlier for quite a few leagues) for many leagues, maybe with the exception of some smaller Class C or D type Leagues.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I think there are actually pretty full records from the 50's or 60's (and even significantly earlier for quite a few leagues) for many leagues, maybe with the exception of some smaller Class C or D type Leagues.

Even rosters? I assume that would be the main issue.

[bwburke94]

Obviously BBRef has full records for a very long period of time, but is it even worth it? Including low-minors guys isn't really necessary, and it drags the draft on far too long. Almost no one wants to be picking between Mike Amrhein and Aron Amundson in the 63rd round of the 1996 draft.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Even rosters? I assume that would be the main issue.

Even rosters. B-Ref has a lot of them from that time period, even for leagues and teams I've never heard of.

Maybe not uniform numbers though.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by bwburke94

Obviously BBRef has full records for a very long period of time, but is it even worth it? Including low-minors guys isn't really necessary, and it drags the draft on far too long. Almost no one wants to be picking between Mike Amrhein and Aron Amundson in the 63rd round of the 1996 draft.

I think it would be a choice for the individual player. I doubt full minor league teams, players etc. would ever be the default.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I think it would be a choice for the individual player. I doubt full minor league teams, players etc. would ever be the default.

I take it full minors would be for the historical player that plays without recalc? A what if type thing?

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by David Watts

I take it full minors would be for the historical player that plays without recalc? A what if type thing?

I would hope that eventually OOTP could look at historical MiLB numbers and use those in (re) calculating ratings. But maybe your idea would make more sense.

Either way, it'd have to start somewhere and that's probably with a db of minor league teams.

[mgom27]

The problem is with the year game came out to get exact Draft classes you would to have Rosters that came with the next year's version and swapping and MLB teams I Teams.