Equalize cities

[darkcloud4579]

Now obviously as a guy who created a financial mod for OOTP I obviously know how to get OOTP finances to bend to my will. But why isn't there a way to equalize the cities so teams all have the same amount all the time. Rather than having to turn off finances or spend hours trying to get the game to bend to my will on that end of things.

Should be able to start a game that way. Really simple. Really easy.

Right now it's still kind of a mess.

Anyone on this? It's kind of stunning we've gone this many versions without the option to set or start a league to equalize finances.

[Rain King]

This doesn't happen if you set the budgets the same and do a draft?

[Padreman]

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[darkcloud4579]

Yes happens when you do a draft and equalize budgets but it doesnt' stay this way. There's no way to create a league that does this and stay that way.

[Le Grande Orange]

In an ideal financial system you'd be able to precisely control how much revenue is earned from different sources. So to create a situation where all clubs have exactly the same amount of revenue each season (thus being the most equal test of GM skills), you'd zero out revenue from ticket sales, local media, merchandising, and so forth. You'd only have clubs have national revenue, and you'd have that national revenue divided equally between each club. Presto! Every club has the same revenue every season.

Now in order to have this you need to advocate for OOTP's financial system to get a comprehensive overhaul...

[Questdog]

Uh, why cannot you do that now?

Ticket price of zero might not run through the kosher tester, but you could set it to 1 cent and you can safely set everything else to 0.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Questdog

Uh, why cannot you do that now?

OOTP's financial engine doesn't have the sufficient level of precision and control. You can probably come reasonably close but exact revenue equality between clubs will require improvements/revisions to the game's financial engine.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

OOTP's financial engine doesn't have the sufficient level of precision and control. You can probably come reasonably close but exact revenue equality between clubs will require improvements/revisions to the game's financial engine.

Only the ticket revenue would be a variable, and at 1 cent a pop, the largest difference between revenues of clubs would be $25,000. In a budget of 100+ million, that would be as equal as anyone could ever require....

But if you are really a stickler, you could set average attendance to 100 and then the difference would be less than $25......

I think that would certainly be equal enough....

[darkcloud4579]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

In an ideal financial system you'd be able to precisely control how much revenue is earned from different sources. So to create a situation where all clubs have exactly the same amount of revenue each season (thus being the most equal test of GM skills), you'd zero out revenue from ticket sales, local media, merchandising, and so forth. You'd only have clubs have national revenue, and you'd have that national revenue divided equally between each club. Presto! Every club has the same revenue every season.

Now in order to have this you need to advocate for OOTP's financial system to get a comprehensive overhaul...

I spent eight years on beta raising hell about this. The one year I wasn't included, I figured you all would handle it.

My market size/financial mod has thousands of downloads.

[darkcloud4579]

When I was running an online league, I manage to keep things equal by keeping ticket prices static, keeping everyone's financials the same by national title revenue and zero out the other areas.

[OldFatGuy]

Obviously I've never tried it, but I guess using revenue sharing and setting the percentage 100 (or 99 if it won't take 100) doesn't work?

EDIT: NM, I'm guessing even if you somehow managed to get all teams to have the same revenue, that wouldn't mean all owners would give their GM's the same operating budget right?

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

Obviously I've never tried it, but I guess using revenue sharing and setting the percentage 100 (or 99 if it won't take 100) doesn't work?

EDIT: NM, I'm guessing even if you somehow managed to get all teams to have the same revenue, that wouldn't mean all owners would give their GM's the same operating budget right?

You can turn owners off.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by darkcloud4579

I spent eight years on beta raising hell about this. The one year I wasn't included, I figured you all would handle it.

There's been little appetite to really dig into and revise the financial model, probably due to the work involved. I think it's rather necessary to increase both its realism as well as its customizability.

[Riverdome]

As a start I would like to see a method to equalize cities at least to start a new league. Equalize $$, fandom, city size, other revenue streams, .... I understand they evolve over time but to at least start equal on equal footing would save a TON of time.

[Questdog]

You can if it is your desire, make every team in the league have the same income every season.

You cannot, without manually keep an eye on it, make all the variable quantities like fan interest, market size, etc. stay equal, but you can make them irrelevant.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Questdog

You can if it is your desire, make every team in the league have the same income every season.

You cannot, without manually keep an eye on it, make all the variable quantities like fan interest, market size, etc. stay equal, but you can make them irrelevant.

ideally, the user shouldn't have to babysit the process. They should be able to set their league financial parameters at the outset, set the financial environment to "steady state", and that's it, having the assurance the financial aspects of the league won't change until they themselves go back in and manually make a change.

To get to this ideal would require a reworking of OOTP's financial system, though. When that might be, well, your guess is as good as mine.

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

ideally, the user shouldn't have to babysit the process. They should be able to set their league financial parameters at the outset, set the financial environment to "steady state", and that's it, having the assurance the financial aspects of the league won't change until they themselves go back in and manually make a change.

To get to this ideal would require a reworking of OOTP's financial system, though. When that might be, well, your guess is as good as mine.

I agree that a "freeze" button would be very helpful. Personally, I do not usually want all teams equal in revenue, but I want to be certain who is getting what and who has the advantages. This is not possible, without manually perusing all the teams when the off-season begins (which I currently do).

But if all you want to do is give everyone equal money, that is easy under the current system.