Really high salary demand

RevRedbird23 · 03-30-2015, 11:47 PM

My league is set to superstars asking around 20M

Yet American League MVP Jose Bautista demands 37M per (David Price wants 27M per). Seems like a 35 year old shouldn't be demanding like 10M over Stanton's deal. No team should offer them any money.
Has this happened to others? It's the 2016 off-season.

anson283 · 03-30-2015, 11:51 PM

Yup that happened to my game. I saw Bautista wanted 33mil per year in free agency and I had Lucroy for the 2016 season but he wanted a 10 year 23mil per year extension so I traded him away after the season was over lol.

Hockey13Playa · 03-30-2015, 11:58 PM

Look at what kind of extension my set-up man wants!

RevRedbird23 · 03-31-2015, 12:34 AM

Good, I am not alone then.

But it's not good is it?

That might explain the mystery of Mark Reynolds playing happily for 2M then demanding 8M per after hitting .190.

Hfthomp · 03-31-2015, 12:40 AM

I've noticed all these guys that want outlandish salaries signing for much less though as the offseason goes on. I just ran through an offseason and at the start, Johnny Cueto was wanting a 26 mil per year, 7 year deal. He ended up signing a 1 year deal for 8 milly.

RevRedbird23 · 03-31-2015, 12:55 AM

Oh wow, ok I will watch for that. Maybe they ask for the moon and then reality sets in.

EDIT: I offered Bautista 15M per for 3 years and he countered with 34M per

Though I'd get him at least into the 20's.

SodoMojo · 03-31-2015, 02:17 AM

I've found that the AI teams won't go after the crazy high demands either usually. If you wait till Preseason and they aren't taken their demands go WAY down.

But it's a gamble...so far though I'm 3 for 3. Watched a 35m a year demand drop to 12m a year as an example.

megamanmatt · 03-31-2015, 02:21 AM

They tend to lower their demands more by ST, and even more if they're still unsigned by opening day. It kinda become a game of finding the best time to get them cheapest before someone else sweeps them up. Kinda how I figure it really works.

The Wolf · 03-31-2015, 02:44 AM

I have found superstars asking for up to twice what the standard price for them is to not be that unusual.

LunchBox · 03-31-2015, 03:38 AM

I was playing as the Mets and I had traded for Jason Lane (seeing as I could use him as pitcher or outfielder) and then a few injuries later actually had to call him up to the ML roster... anyway long story short, I was going to sign him to an extension because he was doing well and he wanted $10.3M per year over 3 years. He had a September call up last year and flamed out as an outfielder in 2007, he's 38 years old and not Koji Uehara

Substance59 · 03-31-2015, 03:52 AM

Been noticing this too, and it's really tough to keep guys when they don't want to sign long term deals during their arbitration years and just want one year deals. So, when their arbitration is done they ask for 30mil contracts which are unheard of. And then when they get to free agency, I feel like teams compete with me no matter what, and then when I upping the price, the guy will sometimes sign for less than what he was asking me for, which is really strange.

Never had too much trouble with this in past versions, which is the weird thing. Usually guys would sign longer deals if i offered them 5mil or so more than they were asking for, but now it's one year deals and then monster deal when free agency hits.

Matt Arnold · 03-31-2015, 05:14 AM

I thought we would start getting some complaints about contracts

First off, I've done/am doing some work on adjusting demands this week, so hopefully the next patch things should be a little more reasonable.

Next off, there were a lot of changes to arbitration-eligible guys, so you can no longer simply sign away all their arbitration years for really cheap. I know past versions it would always be the case that if a guy wanted a 4M arbitration, I could always get him for 3-4 years at 4-5M per year, even if that ate some FA years. Those deals just don't exist in real life, but you should be able to sign guys to deals like the Yelich and Dozier type deals, where you do still get a discount over their year to year prices, but it's not a total ripoff.

It's hard to balance, because for every guy who asks for 30+M, I do find guys who seem to come in way cheaper than they "should" get, so it's not a case where we just need to drop demands for everyone. And we need to have a way so that the truly upper tier guys (Kershaw, Felix, Stanton, Trout) DO get the 30+M, but the next tier of guys still get down.

And for everything, remember that a guy might ask for 25M, but that doesn't mean that's the minimum he'd sign for.

Assos · 03-31-2015, 09:51 AM

My thoughts on FA signing in the game are that they ask for too much, so I bring them down. I offer what I think I should sign them for minus roughly 15%. If they come down closer to my number, I try without angering them, to bring them closer to my number and get as close as I can. Now, that being said, some players have the brain of Scott Boras in electronic form and will not move. Check your player's personality, they offer the real clues.

moneyball · 03-31-2015, 10:17 AM

That's probably the single biggest playing change I noticed in 16. I would always lock up my good young guys through their arb years and into 1 or more FA years. These deals are now quite difficult to make. I was able to sign a guy to a $10M/7 deal that bought 2 FA years, but his super2 arb number was only $5.5M, so it was a good deal for him. I welcome the change because it makes the game much more realistic (albeit harder to build a moneyball team).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

I thought we would start getting some complaints about contracts

First off, I've done/am doing some work on adjusting demands this week, so hopefully the next patch things should be a little more reasonable.

Next off, there were a lot of changes to arbitration-eligible guys, so you can no longer simply sign away all their arbitration years for really cheap. I know past versions it would always be the case that if a guy wanted a 4M arbitration, I could always get him for 3-4 years at 4-5M per year, even if that ate some FA years. Those deals just don't exist in real life, but you should be able to sign guys to deals like the Yelich and Dozier type deals, where you do still get a discount over their year to year prices, but it's not a total ripoff.

It's hard to balance, because for every guy who asks for 30+M, I do find guys who seem to come in way cheaper than they "should" get, so it's not a case where we just need to drop demands for everyone. And we need to have a way so that the truly upper tier guys (Kershaw, Felix, Stanton, Trout) DO get the 30+M, but the next tier of guys still get down.

And for everything, remember that a guy might ask for 25M, but that doesn't mean that's the minimum he'd sign for.

moneyball · 03-31-2015, 10:41 AM

Here is my guy who wanted an excessive contract. I don't find his demands unrealistic though. I signed him cheap through his arb years (in OOTP15). I could see him wanting out of my organization and look to make some big money. He is one of the best middle infielders in the league.

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 03-31-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by moneyball

Here is my guy who wanted an excessive contract. I don't find his demands unrealistic though. I signed him cheap through his arb years. I could see him wanting out of my organization and look to make some big money. He is one of the best middle infielders in the league.

Really good point.

Happens in FA too they demand a ton initially to test the market then they get knocked down. Plus just cause he's asking for x doesn't mean you can't offer him y. It';s a starting point for a negotiation.

Might seem excessive, I don't think it's too bad though.

Maddox · 03-31-2015, 12:03 PM

I have not ventured into the FA market yet as I just finished my first year but when I tried to extend Jason Heyward he originally wanted 22 million for 8 years. I could not afford that deal. I month or so later in the season his demand had dropped and I got him for almost 5 million less.

Meanwhile Kolton Wong would not accept a long term deal no matter what I tried.

RevRedbird23 · 04-01-2015, 04:32 PM

Ok so I reached the end of the off-season and noticed Mr. Moneybags Bautista hadn't signed. I checked in on him and found this kind of discount! Too bad I signed Justin Upton. This is a cool feature.

RevRedbird23 · 04-01-2015, 04:37 PM

...and he signed in my division for 11M. Grrrr

DustinthePOWERHOUSE · 04-01-2015, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevRedbird23

Ok so I reached the end of the off-season and noticed Mr. Moneybags Bautista hadn't signed. I checked in on him and found this kind of discount! Too bad I signed Justin Upton. This is a cool feature.

He'd probably even sign for something close to 10 at this point...that's why they have that feature included cause of course these guys want millions and millions but realistically the market always falls...and if it doesn't you don't overpay for an aging power hitter. Win/Win

03-30-2015, 11:47 PM	#1
RevRedbird23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Posts: 75	Really high salary demand My league is set to superstars asking around 20M Yet American League MVP Jose Bautista demands 37M per (David Price wants 27M per). Seems like a 35 year old shouldn't be demanding like 10M over Stanton's deal. No team should offer them any money. Has this happened to others? It's the 2016 off-season. Attached Images

03-30-2015, 11:58 PM	#3
Hockey13Playa Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2,672	Look at what kind of extension my set-up man wants! Attached Images __________________ FHM NHL Complete Historical Jerseys & Logos

03-31-2015, 12:34 AM	#4
RevRedbird23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Posts: 75	Good, I am not alone then. But it's not good is it? That might explain the mystery of Mark Reynolds playing happily for 2M then demanding 8M per after hitting .190. Last edited by RevRedbird23; 03-31-2015 at 12:37 AM.

03-31-2015, 12:55 AM	#6
RevRedbird23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Posts: 75	Oh wow, ok I will watch for that. Maybe they ask for the moon and then reality sets in. EDIT: I offered Bautista 15M per for 3 years and he countered with 34M per Though I'd get him at least into the 20's. Last edited by RevRedbird23; 03-31-2015 at 12:58 AM.

03-31-2015, 02:17 AM	#7
SodoMojo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 136	I've found that the AI teams won't go after the crazy high demands either usually. If you wait till Preseason and they aren't taken their demands go WAY down. But it's a gamble...so far though I'm 3 for 3. Watched a 35m a year demand drop to 12m a year as an example. Last edited by SodoMojo; 03-31-2015 at 02:19 AM.

03-30-2015, 11:51 PM	#2
anson283 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 69	Yup that happened to my game. I saw Bautista wanted 33mil per year in free agency and I had Lucroy for the 2016 season but he wanted a 10 year 23mil per year extension so I traded him away after the season was over lol.

03-31-2015, 12:40 AM	#5
Hfthomp Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 65	I've noticed all these guys that want outlandish salaries signing for much less though as the offseason goes on. I just ran through an offseason and at the start, Johnny Cueto was wanting a 26 mil per year, 7 year deal. He ended up signing a 1 year deal for 8 milly.

03-31-2015, 02:21 AM	#8
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	They tend to lower their demands more by ST, and even more if they're still unsigned by opening day. It kinda become a game of finding the best time to get them cheapest before someone else sweeps them up. Kinda how I figure it really works. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

03-31-2015, 03:38 AM	#10
LunchBox Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New York Posts: 245	I was playing as the Mets and I had traded for Jason Lane (seeing as I could use him as pitcher or outfielder) and then a few injuries later actually had to call him up to the ML roster... anyway long story short, I was going to sign him to an extension because he was doing well and he wanted $10.3M per year over 3 years. He had a September call up last year and flamed out as an outfielder in 2007, he's 38 years old and not Koji Uehara

03-31-2015, 03:52 AM	#11
Substance59 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 49	Been noticing this too, and it's really tough to keep guys when they don't want to sign long term deals during their arbitration years and just want one year deals. So, when their arbitration is done they ask for 30mil contracts which are unheard of. And then when they get to free agency, I feel like teams compete with me no matter what, and then when I upping the price, the guy will sometimes sign for less than what he was asking me for, which is really strange. Never had too much trouble with this in past versions, which is the weird thing. Usually guys would sign longer deals if i offered them 5mil or so more than they were asking for, but now it's one year deals and then monster deal when free agency hits.

03-31-2015, 05:14 AM	#12
Matt Arnold OOTP Developer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 16,009	I thought we would start getting some complaints about contracts First off, I've done/am doing some work on adjusting demands this week, so hopefully the next patch things should be a little more reasonable. Next off, there were a lot of changes to arbitration-eligible guys, so you can no longer simply sign away all their arbitration years for really cheap. I know past versions it would always be the case that if a guy wanted a 4M arbitration, I could always get him for 3-4 years at 4-5M per year, even if that ate some FA years. Those deals just don't exist in real life, but you should be able to sign guys to deals like the Yelich and Dozier type deals, where you do still get a discount over their year to year prices, but it's not a total ripoff. It's hard to balance, because for every guy who asks for 30+M, I do find guys who seem to come in way cheaper than they "should" get, so it's not a case where we just need to drop demands for everyone. And we need to have a way so that the truly upper tier guys (Kershaw, Felix, Stanton, Trout) DO get the 30+M, but the next tier of guys still get down. And for everything, remember that a guy might ask for 25M, but that doesn't mean that's the minimum he'd sign for.

03-31-2015, 09:51 AM	#13
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	My thoughts on FA signing in the game are that they ask for too much, so I bring them down. I offer what I think I should sign them for minus roughly 15%. If they come down closer to my number, I try without angering them, to bring them closer to my number and get as close as I can. Now, that being said, some players have the brain of Scott Boras in electronic form and will not move. Check your player's personality, they offer the real clues.

03-31-2015, 10:41 AM	#15
moneyball Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 40	My $36M Man Here is my guy who wanted an excessive contract. I don't find his demands unrealistic though. I signed him cheap through his arb years (in OOTP15). I could see him wanting out of my organization and look to make some big money. He is one of the best middle infielders in the league. Attached Images __________________ "It's about getting things down to one number. Using the stats the way we read them, we'll find value in players that no one else can see. People are overlooked for a variety of biased reasons and perceived flaws. Age, appearance, personality. Bill James and mathematics cut straight through that. Billy, of the 20,000 notable players for us to consider, I believe that there is a championship team of twenty-five people that we can afford, because everyone else in baseball undervalues them." Last edited by moneyball; 03-31-2015 at 10:49 AM. Reason: specifying that he was signed cheap in OOT15, not 16

03-31-2015, 12:03 PM	#17
Maddox All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 903	I have not ventured into the FA market yet as I just finished my first year but when I tried to extend Jason Heyward he originally wanted 22 million for 8 years. I could not afford that deal. I month or so later in the season his demand had dropped and I got him for almost 5 million less. Meanwhile Kolton Wong would not accept a long term deal no matter what I tried.

04-01-2015, 04:32 PM	#18
RevRedbird23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Posts: 75	Ok so I reached the end of the off-season and noticed Mr. Moneybags Bautista hadn't signed. I checked in on him and found this kind of discount! Too bad I signed Justin Upton. This is a cool feature. Attached Images

04-01-2015, 04:37 PM	#19
RevRedbird23 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL Posts: 75	...and he signed in my division for 11M. Grrrr