Ratings progression and waivers

[Birdland24]

Ok a few questions for the OOTP community....

1. I have a prospect in my minors he's a SS with rating at 21 but 77 potential. I play as the Orioles so right now in the beginning of June he's playing well and I'm considering sending him to AA Bowie.
My question... When will his current ratings change higher then 21 and should I leave him where he's at til his rating progresses or go off his 200 ABs he has at this point?

2. How do I place a player on waivers to see if he clears and if someone claims him can I pull him back?
Example- JJ Hardy is my SS but his contract is a tad big for my budget and I have this young prospect coming through the system is there a way to try and pass him through waivers and possibly trade him after the deadline if my top prospect is ready for the show?

Bonus question-

My draft is coming up in a few days any advice on how I should draft, what to look for, any help and I mean any help is appreciated. I am trying to rebuild through the farm system and drafting is gonna be key.


Thanks guys!

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by Birdland24

Ok a few questions for the OOTP community....

1. I have a prospect in my minors he's a SS with rating at 21 but 77 potential. I play as the Orioles so right now in the beginning of June he's playing well and I'm considering sending him to AA Bowie.
My question... When will his current ratings change higher then 21 and should I leave him where he's at til his rating progresses or go off his 200 ABs he has at this point?

2. How do I place a player on waivers to see if he clears and if someone claims him can I pull him back?
Example- JJ Hardy is my SS but his contract is a tad big for my budget and I have this young prospect coming through the system is there a way to try and pass him through waivers and possibly trade him after the deadline if my top prospect is ready for the show?

Bonus question-

My draft is coming up in a few days any advice on how I should draft, what to look for, any help and I mean any help is appreciated. I am trying to rebuild through the farm system and drafting is gonna be key.


Thanks guys!

2 first cause it is short and sweet.

as far as i know it follows mlb rules there. so yes, if he passes waivers he can be traded. not sure on the process, if you have to attempt a trade or dfa him etc... most likely you have to propose a trade, because you should have an option to rescind the trade/waiver if someone claims him.

Bonus ?: always keep your minors stocked with a steady stream of top end picthers. try to have them staggered in age, too. if you have an opportunity to get 2 good starting pitchers in the first two rounds you should jump at that chance unless you have a significantly pressing need elswhere. Always consider the studs w/good personality, regardless of position.

it is way easier to trade pitching prospects than fielders - especially if they are 1/2 to 1yr of development away from the mlb. it is sometimes beneficial not to make that trade right when the offseason starts with pitchers nearing the MLB. value can change based on time of year, but don't gamble too much - test the waters to learn how the game sees things.

Don't short suit yourself at other positions. understand 3-5 years ahead of time what you need, and what you can afford in FA/Resignings. try to have 2-3 options(if prospects, some will never make it) when the time comes to replace someone. if you enter a draft with an absolute need to draft a guy at a particular position, you are goind to rely on luck. if you have a 2-3 year window to draft a particular position, you will give yourself a better chance at success. anytime you know you have lots of options for all or most future potential outcomes, draft SP.



1) this is incredibly complicated to give an answer - so take all of this relative to your settings and style of play. i will try to speak in a very general way with an example or two on occasion:


if you are using 100% stats and cannot see the ratings, go ahead and use stats to determine promotion. i would not set high standards. stats in minors are essentially meaningless as long as he isn't overmatched or undermatched. a .200 avg isn't necessarily a good reason to demote if his ratings are in line. it's a small sample size even if you wait 200ab or more. the stats do not hold any integrity. for many stats you need 3-4 seasons to normalize. you cannot do this during development for obvious reasons.

if you invest into minor league scouting and have a good scout, rely on ratings. stats should carry very little weight. i can't say this enough.

control the promotion/demotion of your prospects you care about - at the minimum. however, do use the up/down suggestion arrows to flesh out an idea of minimum ratings (batters: con/avoid k's/eye etc) per minor league level. use that as your threshold for each promotion. if they really suffer, think about demoting them. i mean a total dumpster fire - multiple k/9, no walks, .100 avg etc etc. somethings so terrible that even with a very low level of confidence due to sample size can't explain it. however, don't make such a decision too quickly, and if his ratings are still progressing at a good clip, think about leaving him be.

so,
a) flesh out minimum threshold per individual rating for each minor league level

b) essentially ignore minor league stats if the guy is developing well. if they stew with too high of ratings for the level they are at, their potential and actual ratings will start to fall precipitously.

it's a good idea to allow a couple months of games before making a real decision. that shouldn't prevent you from checking in on them before that - just in case of a dumpster fire or crazy fast development in ratings. don't let a rule like minimum 200ab restrict an obvious move.

also, pay attention to player personality, development budget, minor league scouting budget (if not 100% accurate), and your minor league coaches (controlling, good handle players and handle rookies in addition to the obvious teaching ratings). these things may not gaurantee development, but they do make it more consistent.

[RonCo]

Stats in the minor leagues are meaningless? Has something changed?

[NoOne]

Originally Posted by RonCo

Stats in the minor leagues are meaningless? Has something changed?

sure, due to sample size and constantly changing dynamics of the players themselves due to development.

take avg for instance. it supposedly takes 990AB to normalize, and you should ignore rookie seasons. Also, that is under the expectation that the player remains essentially the same quality throughout. that is simply not the case for a developing player. one more reason stats are very cloudy in the minors.

so, an average (and most other stats) based on 200AB or even an entire season has a very low level of confidence. that means the BA he has achieved essentially tells you nothing, unless it is an extreme result.

i wouldn't argue that an .050BA, terrible k/9 and a very low walk rate after 200 ab does tell you something worthwhile, and in all liklihood ratings and development reports would have told you the same exact thing well before that time.

these ratings are plugged into an algorythm and that determines probability of success for various aspects of the game. a person that should hit well could very easily have a terrible 200AB and fool you with randomness. according to his stats he might not look like a likely promotion, but he really does deserve one. you do not run into that problem when using ratings and development reports as your metric for promotion and demotion.

[RonCo]

There is a lot of truth to what you say, however I think you're not categorizing the game particularly appropriately.

1) I think when one understands a little about what random means (and the context of setting), those 200 AB can tell you things that the ratings and scouts cannot tell you. They may not, of course. But they can. And when they do, they speak volumes more than scouts (IMHO).
2) I know a little about how the game works. Or at least worked.
3) Unless something changed, poor stats can result in rating degradation (hence my comment). So pushing a player along when they are not ready--regardless of what your scout says--would carry risk of damaging that player.
4) Scouts are not particularly trustworthy.

[RonCo]

That said, there are no guarantees regardless of what you do. The game algorithms can be a harsh partner.

[Birdland24]

So from reading this I'm assuming it's all about how you want to progress your players in the system and watching their stats. Some turn to superstar players and others turn to dust. I guess this really is as real as it gets.

Btw my draft was horrible. I did 10 rounds and only 4 players signed with me. Their demands are ridiculous!

[TGH-Adfabre]

Originally Posted by Birdland24

So from reading this I'm assuming it's all about how you want to progress your players in the system and watching their stats. Some turn to superstar players and others turn to dust. I guess this really is as real as it gets.

Btw my draft was horrible. I did 10 rounds and only 4 players signed with me. Their demands are ridiculous!

Did you check their "signability" or demands or whatever it is. It is important, especially with High School players that have college options. I have blown a few drafts not paying attention to player demands and willingness to sign.

[Birdland24]

Originally Posted by TGH-Adfabre

Did you check their "signability" or demands or whatever it is. It is important, especially with High School players that have college options. I have blown a few drafts not paying attention to player demands and willingness to sign.

You know, I actually seen it and ignored it thinking no way they weren't going to sign and sure as $---t they went back to school after one offer. But as I was scanning through the draft the things I looked for we're who had the highest potential. My scout had everyone at about 20-21 but OSA had some good ratings so I went off that.
I'm trying to build my farm system cause I have terrible position prospects 1 in my top 20.
Most guys that would sign with me weren't rated all that high. What can I do to change this.
Btw I play as the Orioles and I'm in my first year. About 11 games over .500 so not bad but I'm about to lose a ton of FAs and need to rebuild the system.

[olivertheorem]

I can't say it enough, don't go by the overall/potential ratings only. You have to look at the individual skill ratings/potentials more than overall.