Designated for assignment

[Orcin]

The Cardinals just designated catcher Eric Fryar for assignment without waivers. He is out of options. He will have to clear waivers before he can be sent to the minors, but he can be designated to remove him from the active roster while they pursue a trade.

Why can't I do this in OOTP17? The game requires me to place him on irrevocable waivers before he can be designated, even though the context menu shows an option to designate only.

[Curve Ball Dave]

The very fact that he has to clear waivers means he's on it.

[ohiodevil]

Yeah, looks like he is on waivers

Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch tweets that the Cardinals will attempt to get him to Triple-A Memphis, though they’ll first need to pass Fryer through outright waivers. Fryer has been outrighted in the past (meaning he could elect free agency even if he does clear), but given the paucity of quality catching options around the league, it should never simply be assumed that a backstop in the midst of a productive season will go unclaimed.

Cardinals Designate Eric Fryer For Assignment - MLB Trade Rumors

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

The very fact that he has to clear waivers means he's on it.

Not quite in real life, as the club has 10 days to decide what it wants to do (reduced by the various waiver request time requirements). The club does not have to immediately seek outright waivers after designating a player, since it has time to consider what it wants to do. It might outright him; it might not.

Note that, under some circumstances, a player can be optioned to satisfy a DFA, but this is rare.

[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

Not quite in real life, as the club has 10 days to decide what it wants to do (reduced by the various waiver request time requirements). The club does not have to immediately seek outright waivers after designating a player, since it has time to consider what it wants to do. It might outright him; it might not.

Note that, under some circumstances, a player can be optioned to satisfy a DFA, but this is rare.

If a player must clear waivers, by definition, he's on waivers. I get what you're saying but that does not apply in the case of this player.

[nutt]

Anytime a player is a DFA, he goes through waivers the moment he is removed from the 40-man. Much like in OOTP17, 72 hour window to claim the player. There is no "We will DFA John Doe and spend a week deciding what to do before he has to go on waivers." The player goes on waiver the moment this happens.

The only issue here is if they decide to bring him back then want to send Fryar back to Memphis after August 1st. He'd have to go through waivers AGAIN.

[ohiodevil]

Originally Posted by nutt

Anytime a player is a DFA, he goes through waivers the moment he is removed from the 40-man. Much like in OOTP17, 72 hour window to claim the player. There is no "We will DFA John Doe and spend a week deciding what to do before he has to go on waivers." The player goes on waiver the moment this happens.

The only issue here is if they decide to bring him back then want to send Fryar back to Memphis after August 1st. He'd have to go through waivers AGAIN.

That is not 100% true, a player is not automatically placed on waivers when he is DFAed by a team:

When a player is Designated for Assignment (DFA'd), he is removed from his team's 40-man roster but is still considered on the team until resolution of the status. Within 10 days, the team must

1 - Return him to the 40-man roster
2 - Trade him
3 - Release him (once he has cleared waivers)
4 - Place the player on waivers (first 7 days only) for the purpose of outrighting him to a minor league team.
5 - Outright the player to the minors

A player may only be outrighted without his consent 1 time in his career but he still must clear waivers.

Players on waivers may be claimed by other organizations.


Granted 99% of the time the player is placed on waivers so they can attempt to get him to the minors, but there are times when a team does not waive him because they want to attempt to trade him.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

If a player must clear waivers, by definition, he's on waivers. I get what you're saying but that does not apply in the case of this player.

In real life a player, when DFA'd, does not immediately have to be placed on waivers. Note too there are different kinds of waivers (trade, optional, outright, and release) for the type of move a club is wanting to do,

Now, while the club does have 10 days to make a move, the various waiver requirements mean a club will probably have to request waivers shortly after designating the player.

[Curve Ball Dave]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

In real life a player, when DFA'd, does not immediately have to be placed on waivers. Note too there are different kinds of waivers (trade, optional, outright, and release) for the type of move a club is wanting to do,

Now, while the club does have 10 days to make a move, the various waiver requirements mean a club will probably have to request waivers shortly after designating the player.

As I said, I get that. But if a certain player must clear waivers, that means he's on waivers.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

As I said, I get that. But if a certain player must clear waivers, that means he's on waivers.

He is not on waivers today. He must eventually clear waivers to be sent to the minors.

[Orcin]

Once we clear all of the people out of the thread who want to argue the premise, can we discuss the question? Why doesn't OOTP mimic the real life rule?

[ohiodevil]

Originally Posted by Orcin

Once we clear all of the people out of the thread who want to argue the premise, can we discuss the question? Why doesn't OOTP mimic the real life rule?

Have you tried going into the Roster/Transactions page and select Waivers/DFA section and then just drag the player to DFA? I don't think he goes on waivers automatically.....I am at work now or I would try it.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by ohiodevil

Have you tried going into the Roster/Transactions page and select Waivers/DFA section and then just drag the player to DFA? I don't think he goes on waivers automatically.....I am at work now or I would try it.

Yes. You get this message...

[Lukas Berger]

In past versions, once you DFA'd and waived the player, you could go to the transactions screen and take the player off waivers, even while keeping in him on the DFA list. Haven't tried it in 17 yet though, so I'm unsure if that still works.

[Orcin]

You sure that worked for a player without options? When you waive and designate, it warns that the waivers are irrevocable.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by Orcin

You sure that worked for a player without options? When you waive and designate, it warns that the waivers are irrevocable.

It used to. Might have been a bug and like I said, no idea if it still works now.

[Orcin]

By the way, you can't designate the player without waivers even if he has options remaining. The only way to get him off the active roster without waivers is to edit him to have an option and demote him (which is cheating of course).

[BigRed75]

Along those same lines, why is it that we can't put players on waivers after August 1 (for the purposes of making them trade eligible) without those waivers being irrevocable? That's not how it works in real life - teams will put their entire rosters on trade waivers, then if someone gets claimed, they'll pull them back - no big deal.

If there's a way to do that in OOTP I sure haven't found it in the past 9 years...

[Orcin]

You can do it, but you have to negotiate the trade first. Once you agree to the trade, the players automatically go on waivers. If all players clear, the trade goes through. If someone is claimed, all players (including the claimed player) go back to their original teams.

[BigRed75]

That seems like a ham-handed and completely backwards way of handling that. I'd want to know, before negotiations start, exactly who I can deal, rather than doing a trade and then having another team block it.

I mean, I get that teams use "blocking waivers" IRL but they do that to stop players who might be traded to rivals, not to scupper deals that have already been agreed on.