What the heck just happened to my scouting?

PoopyJoe69 · 06-13-2017, 01:21 PM

So right before the season starts, most of my major leagu players are rated at least above 1 star by my scout. Fast forward to opening day, I check and almost all of my batters are rated at 1 star, and all of my players with high potential now have none. My pitchers seem to not be affected by this sudden ratings shift. This just has me at a loss as to why my scout decided right before the season started that my team suddenly was not worth a crap.

slugger922cubs · 06-13-2017, 02:07 PM

First this isnt an EA game the ratings aren't everything. Don't think for a moment a drop in scouting means your guys suddenly suck. Don't think that suddenly this team is any different than the one you assembled all offseason. It's the same.
Second, OOTP scouted ratings have loads of error and fog built in just like real life scouting variance and sometimes extreme shifts are too be expected. Stars have the most fog and are the worst indicators of player skill in my experience. I play without them myself as I find they do more clouding my judgment than helping me evaluate talent.
Lastly here's what likely happened. For some reason, there was likely an influx of new players somewhere. Maybe you added a league maybe there was an insanely good IFA or Draft class. Maybe a bunch of prospects developed all at once over the offseason. Spring training gave your scout a better chance to look at everyone and get less fog. Since Scouting is periodical and not dynamic. You only get new reports every few months come opening day new reports come in and your scout is less excited about the players on your club in relation to the league than he was before.

dkgo · 06-13-2017, 02:28 PM

that happened to me at the start of a season once. I thought it was like a recalibration of the entire league, I went to the full players list and there were only 15 players above 4 stars in all MLB. then in about a week of game time it was back to "regular".

BIG17EASY · 06-13-2017, 03:27 PM

Take a minute and look at individual ratings instead of the stars. (Or better yet, turn overall ratings off.) Any change in individual ratings will tell you much more than any change in an overall rating.

NoOne · 06-13-2017, 05:16 PM

like others said, ignore overall at all times relative to any comparison of players or assessment of them.

did the contact drop or any other ratings? if not, they are the same exact player as they were before in spite of overall changing.

accurate ratings are the cause of results (better worded: cause of what probabilities are used for each situation)... don't let anyone put that doubt in your head...

Example:
Like Overall, "Contact" needs to be split up into its 3 components to understand it correctly and to be able to compare different players that may have the same Contact but vastly different BABIP/avoid K's/power ratings. Contact is indiscrete math... many things can equate to the same contact value... .... many things can equate to the same overall value.... yet, those contact and overall values are not the same in practice! (stuff too)

(not as bad as overall... many other factors magnify the concept.. like being 'relative' to league or position, ai evaluation including stats... etc, etc..)

Stuff is a conglomerate... so not all "80/80" stuff are the same in behaviour. unless they lump those probabilities together in the engine etc... (e.g. they don't consider velo / pitch thrwon etc etc just overall stuff... but then why have the other things in the game at all? so, i would assume Stuff is like contact and overall... a good start, but you need to look into what goes into that calculated value.)

06-13-2017, 01:21 PM	#1
PoopyJoe69 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 302	What the heck just happened to my scouting? So right before the season starts, most of my major leagu players are rated at least above 1 star by my scout. Fast forward to opening day, I check and almost all of my batters are rated at 1 star, and all of my players with high potential now have none. My pitchers seem to not be affected by this sudden ratings shift. This just has me at a loss as to why my scout decided right before the season started that my team suddenly was not worth a crap.

06-13-2017, 05:16 PM	#5
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	like others said, ignore overall at all times relative to any comparison of players or assessment of them. did the contact drop or any other ratings? if not, they are the same exact player as they were before in spite of overall changing. accurate ratings are the cause of results (better worded: cause of what probabilities are used for each situation)... don't let anyone put that doubt in your head... Example: Like Overall, "Contact" needs to be split up into its 3 components to understand it correctly and to be able to compare different players that may have the same Contact but vastly different BABIP/avoid K's/power ratings. Contact is indiscrete math... many things can equate to the same contact value... .... many things can equate to the same overall value.... yet, those contact and overall values are not the same in practice! (stuff too) (not as bad as overall... many other factors magnify the concept.. like being 'relative' to league or position, ai evaluation including stats... etc, etc..) Stuff is a conglomerate... so not all "80/80" stuff are the same in behaviour. unless they lump those probabilities together in the engine etc... (e.g. they don't consider velo / pitch thrwon etc etc just overall stuff... but then why have the other things in the game at all? so, i would assume Stuff is like contact and overall... a good start, but you need to look into what goes into that calculated value.) Last edited by NoOne; 06-13-2017 at 05:21 PM.

06-13-2017, 02:07 PM	#2
slugger922cubs Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 314	First this isnt an EA game the ratings aren't everything. Don't think for a moment a drop in scouting means your guys suddenly suck. Don't think that suddenly this team is any different than the one you assembled all offseason. It's the same. Second, OOTP scouted ratings have loads of error and fog built in just like real life scouting variance and sometimes extreme shifts are too be expected. Stars have the most fog and are the worst indicators of player skill in my experience. I play without them myself as I find they do more clouding my judgment than helping me evaluate talent. Lastly here's what likely happened. For some reason, there was likely an influx of new players somewhere. Maybe you added a league maybe there was an insanely good IFA or Draft class. Maybe a bunch of prospects developed all at once over the offseason. Spring training gave your scout a better chance to look at everyone and get less fog. Since Scouting is periodical and not dynamic. You only get new reports every few months come opening day new reports come in and your scout is less excited about the players on your club in relation to the league than he was before.

06-13-2017, 02:28 PM	#3
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	that happened to me at the start of a season once. I thought it was like a recalibration of the entire league, I went to the full players list and there were only 15 players above 4 stars in all MLB. then in about a week of game time it was back to "regular".

06-13-2017, 03:27 PM	#4
BIG17EASY Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,291	Take a minute and look at individual ratings instead of the stars. (Or better yet, turn overall ratings off.) Any change in individual ratings will tell you much more than any change in an overall rating.