NCAA Football Thoughts - week 10

Cobra Mgr · 11-13-2017, 01:39 PM

You knew it was going to be an elimination week. But seeing it play out was still thrilling. Notre Dame fell off the road to Atlanta. The 12ish's title game gives TCU & OkSt's fading chances a slight slip of hope if they can win a rematch vs Oklahoma. Miami finally looked like "the U". Auburn has somehow slipped into the discussion. Wisky finally played a ranked team, beat them, and now once more hasn't beaten a currently ranked team. Clemson's penchant for playing to their competition almost bit them in the u-no-what. I was pulling for MisStake. A Bama loss would have caused so much confusion. Which I always pull for.

........Sadly, there is no shot for UCF. Which is the reason why I say there has never been a champion in NCAA football. I'm not here to tell you I'd bet my mortgage payment on the Knights vs the Tide. What I am saying is this isn't a way to decide who is #1. A correct system is one that allows every team a chance to earn their way to the trophy. UCF has beaten everyone they've played. In fact, for the most part, they have dominated everyone they've met. Doesn't matter. They are UCF. Not FSU.

There has to be some place for a team to earn their way in. Keep in mind, the original postseason system was criticized because the final #1 was an opinion poll. Is this any different? Thirty years ago we used the eye test to decide on one team. Now we use it to decide 4. We went from media biases, to mathematician biases, to "expert" board of trustees' biases.

Just imagine what we will get if more than one of the top 5 (Bama,Miami, Oklahoma, Clemson & Wisky) should falter before the end of the year. Who gets in? Auburn/TCU with 2 losses? Ohio St, who gave up to 55 to Iowa? A team currently under .500 in the Big T1e4n and couldn't score one offensive point the following week? Oklahoma St, who has given up 198 pts in their 4 games vs then ranked teams? Georgia, who had a 23 pt mudhole stomped into their chest this week by Auburn? Notre Dame who lost to Georgia & had a 33pt mudhole stomped into their chest this week? USC, who had a 35 pt mudhole stomped into their chest by the Irish?

But guess what? I bet every one of those teams will be ranked ahead of UCF when the committee comes out with their list for this week. And all the Knights have done is win every game except one by 2 possessions. One win was by 10. All the rest have been by 25 pts minimum. The one game vs a ranked team they had was won 40-13. UCF has handled their business. Only three other teams can claim that. But if they win out they will probably have to settle for a bowl vs a Power 5 runner-up that doesn't want to be there. Pitiful. There is a reason why no other team sport on the planet decides their champ this way.........

.......Personally, I'd rather go back to the old bowl system since they aren't interested in giving us a true champion. Like I said, teams don't want to be at these bowl games. You may get 5-7 teams total who are thrilled to be playing it. It has ruined New Year's Day for me. The only holiday I would ever take off used to be NYD. I'd lay on the couch all frikkin' day in a pile of nacho crumbs & pizza crusts switching from game to game. That's livin' man.

But now, who cares? All the schools are disappointed they aren't in the Final 4. In the past, you'd have 3 or 4 games that mattered. And even if they had no shot to win the final polls, players were still excited because the Sugar/Rose/Orange/Cotton was the best game they could have hoped for to begin with. Now those games are consolation prizes. NYD is no longer a special day to me and I miss it.......

.......What happened to Kellen Winslow Jr?.........

......Which is the better high profile job that will be open in December? Nebraska? Florida? Tennessee? Texas A&M? Possibly UCLA?.......

......Amazing how many pts Wake Forest now can score since they got rid of their Judas in the media booth. But only 3 opponents admitted to "partaking" of the forbidden fruit. Hmmmmm...........

......The ACC is amazingly mediocre. 9 out of 14 teams have between 4-6 losses. Miami, Clemson & NCSt are the only schools w/fewer than 3 conference losses...........

Whoofe · 11-13-2017, 08:06 PM

why isn't UCF going to be a top 4 team? simple - same reason we get mediocre 9th place big conference teams with 17-15 records that have already proven they are worse than 8 other teams in one conference let alone how they compare to the rest of the nation, yet they make it into the final 64 (68) of the basketball tournament. name recognition = money, and that's what matters to the powers that be.

me, I'd rather watch david take on goliath, (Butler vs Duke was one of best finals ever)

Cobra Mgr · 11-14-2017, 10:57 PM

The committee is just embarrassing itself. UCF got jumped by 2 loss Wash St. What did the Cougars do to merit such a leap? They beat last place Utah by 8.

Cobra Mgr · 11-15-2017, 10:54 PM

Just a little breezy out there.

TribeFanInNC · 11-16-2017, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Whoofe

why isn't UCF going to be a top 4 team? simple - same reason we get mediocre 9th place big conference teams with 17-15 records that have already proven they are worse than 8 other teams in one conference let alone how they compare to the rest of the nation, yet they make it into the final 64 (68) of the basketball tournament. name recognition = money, and that's what matters to the powers that be.

me, I'd rather watch david take on goliath, (Butler vs Duke was one of best finals ever)

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

The committee is just embarrassing itself. UCF got jumped by 2 loss Wash St. What did the Cougars do to merit such a leap? They beat last place Utah by 8.

I dunno, I don't see much need for UCF to be in the discussion. Their good win is Navy and their future schedule only includes USF. There just isn't a lot of body of work to say they are every bit as good as the top power conference teams. Does anyone really want to see Alabama play UCF? I don't. I would be more interested in seeing them play another kinda 10th-ish ranked team in a New Year's Day bowl. They seems about right to me. That can have a great season without being included in the playoff. Just my opinion though.

I also think basketball and football comparisons are false narratives. Basketball is completely different; 1-2 really good players can make you a really good team on both sides of the ball.There is no one or two good players in football that can instantly make you 12-0. Even a really good QB only takes you so far. Harder for the small guy to compete.

Cobra Mgr · 11-16-2017, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I dunno, I don't see much need for UCF to be in the discussion. Their good win is Navy and their future schedule only includes USF. There just isn't a lot of body of work to say they are every bit as good as the top power conference teams. Does anyone really want to see Alabama play UCF? I don't. I would be more interested in seeing them play another kinda 10th-ish ranked team in a New Year's Day bowl. They seems about right to me. That can have a great season without being included in the playoff. Just my opinion though.

I also think basketball and football comparisons are false narratives. Basketball is completely different; 1-2 really good players can make you a really good team on both sides of the ball.There is no one or two good players in football that can instantly make you 12-0. Even a really good QB only takes you so far. Harder for the small guy to compete.

It's not about what people want to see. It's not about assumptions or supposes. It's about the fact that more than half of div 1 starts the season with absolutely no way to earn the championship. There is no other team sport on the planet that automatically excludes any percentage of the teams @ their level from winning the title even when they win every game. The NCAA football "championship" is still a beauty contest. It is not earned on the field. If everyone of the Power 5 conferences had an unbeaten champion, someone is getting left out. As it stands now, Wisky is on the outside looking in. And if Miami were to lose a tight game vs Clemson, there is no guarantee the Badgers would move up.

UCF is currently behind EIGHT two loss teams. Really?? Among the 10 teams between the Knights & the final 4, there are 6 losses by 3 or more scores. Their average loss has been by a 37-22 score. UCF's avg win is 49-21. How could ten teams, with 16 total "L's", have actually earned a higher spot?

I said this before on this forum and I'll say it again: Winning has become underrated in sports. Any system, whether individual, team, organization; that doesn't allow an opportunity to work their way to the top is a flawed system that should be abolished. Any system that gives unearned breaks to an individual, team or organization simply because of their name or who they know or are is a flawed system that should be abolished.

Jerry Helper · 11-16-2017, 06:16 PM

I think we should get rid of the AP and Coaches polls now that we have the playoffs. Seriously.

The ranking of these teams in the pre-season causes serious unfair influence when the playoffs role around. Teams that were ranked very high can only fall so far, and have an easier time bouncing back. Teams like USC and Ohio State were ranked very high to start the seasons. Each was massively overrated and lost multiple games. But they are still lingering because they're never going to drop far enough to be out of it. Because they started so damn high. I say no rankings until the playoff committee meets.

TheMaus2 · 12-15-2017, 10:26 AM

But what else will Cobra gripe about?

11-13-2017, 08:06 PM	#2
Whoofe All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 590	why isn't UCF going to be a top 4 team? simple - same reason we get mediocre 9th place big conference teams with 17-15 records that have already proven they are worse than 8 other teams in one conference let alone how they compare to the rest of the nation, yet they make it into the final 64 (68) of the basketball tournament. name recognition = money, and that's what matters to the powers that be. me, I'd rather watch david take on goliath, (Butler vs Duke was one of best finals ever) Last edited by Whoofe; 11-13-2017 at 08:07 PM.

11-14-2017, 10:57 PM	#3
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,029	The committee is just embarrassing itself. UCF got jumped by 2 loss Wash St. What did the Cougars do to merit such a leap? They beat last place Utah by 8. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

11-15-2017, 10:54 PM	#4
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,029	Just a little breezy out there. __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

12-15-2017, 10:26 AM	#8
TheMaus2 All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The OOTP Forums. Always. Posts: 1,952	But what else will Cobra gripe about? __________________ I write a monthly newsletter on the Food Baseball Association. I also listen to music no one's ever heard of in hopes of looking cool and alternative.

11-13-2017, 01:39 PM	#1
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,029	NCAA Football Thoughts - week 10 You knew it was going to be an elimination week. But seeing it play out was still thrilling. Notre Dame fell off the road to Atlanta. The 12ish's title game gives TCU & OkSt's fading chances a slight slip of hope if they can win a rematch vs Oklahoma. Miami finally looked like "the U". Auburn has somehow slipped into the discussion. Wisky finally played a ranked team, beat them, and now once more hasn't beaten a currently ranked team. Clemson's penchant for playing to their competition almost bit them in the u-no-what. I was pulling for MisStake. A Bama loss would have caused so much confusion. Which I always pull for. ........Sadly, there is no shot for UCF. Which is the reason why I say there has never been a champion in NCAA football. I'm not here to tell you I'd bet my mortgage payment on the Knights vs the Tide. What I am saying is this isn't a way to decide who is #1. A correct system is one that allows every team a chance to earn their way to the trophy. UCF has beaten everyone they've played. In fact, for the most part, they have dominated everyone they've met. Doesn't matter. They are UCF. Not FSU. There has to be some place for a team to earn their way in. Keep in mind, the original postseason system was criticized because the final #1 was an opinion poll. Is this any different? Thirty years ago we used the eye test to decide on one team. Now we use it to decide 4. We went from media biases, to mathematician biases, to "expert" board of trustees' biases. Just imagine what we will get if more than one of the top 5 (Bama,Miami, Oklahoma, Clemson & Wisky) should falter before the end of the year. Who gets in? Auburn/TCU with 2 losses? Ohio St, who gave up to 55 to Iowa? A team currently under .500 in the Big T1e4n and couldn't score one offensive point the following week? Oklahoma St, who has given up 198 pts in their 4 games vs then ranked teams? Georgia, who had a 23 pt mudhole stomped into their chest this week by Auburn? Notre Dame who lost to Georgia & had a 33pt mudhole stomped into their chest this week? USC, who had a 35 pt mudhole stomped into their chest by the Irish? But guess what? I bet every one of those teams will be ranked ahead of UCF when the committee comes out with their list for this week. And all the Knights have done is win every game except one by 2 possessions. One win was by 10. All the rest have been by 25 pts minimum. The one game vs a ranked team they had was won 40-13. UCF has handled their business. Only three other teams can claim that. But if they win out they will probably have to settle for a bowl vs a Power 5 runner-up that doesn't want to be there. Pitiful. There is a reason why no other team sport on the planet decides their champ this way......... .......Personally, I'd rather go back to the old bowl system since they aren't interested in giving us a true champion. Like I said, teams don't want to be at these bowl games. You may get 5-7 teams total who are thrilled to be playing it. It has ruined New Year's Day for me. The only holiday I would ever take off used to be NYD. I'd lay on the couch all frikkin' day in a pile of nacho crumbs & pizza crusts switching from game to game. That's livin' man. But now, who cares? All the schools are disappointed they aren't in the Final 4. In the past, you'd have 3 or 4 games that mattered. And even if they had no shot to win the final polls, players were still excited because the Sugar/Rose/Orange/Cotton was the best game they could have hoped for to begin with. Now those games are consolation prizes. NYD is no longer a special day to me and I miss it....... .......What happened to Kellen Winslow Jr?......... ......Which is the better high profile job that will be open in December? Nebraska? Florida? Tennessee? Texas A&M? Possibly UCLA?....... ......Amazing how many pts Wake Forest now can score since they got rid of their Judas in the media booth. But only 3 opponents admitted to "partaking" of the forbidden fruit. Hmmmmm........... ......The ACC is amazingly mediocre. 9 out of 14 teams have between 4-6 losses. Miami, Clemson & NCSt are the only schools w/fewer than 3 conference losses........... __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

11-16-2017, 06:16 PM	#7
Jerry Helper Major Leagues Join Date: May 2017 Location: Dallas Posts: 325	I think we should get rid of the AP and Coaches polls now that we have the playoffs. Seriously. The ranking of these teams in the pre-season causes serious unfair influence when the playoffs role around. Teams that were ranked very high can only fall so far, and have an easier time bouncing back. Teams like USC and Ohio State were ranked very high to start the seasons. Each was massively overrated and lost multiple games. But they are still lingering because they're never going to drop far enough to be out of it. Because they started so damn high. I say no rankings until the playoff committee meets.