Starters scouted as relievers

Sandberg · 09-07-2018, 06:45 PM

Asahi3 is experiencing a weird situation where even the best starting pitchers in the league are being scouted and reported on as though they are relievers. We moved our league from v17 this past off season and also switched databases from Spritz HS debut to the default OOTP random debut database. I wonder if this has anything to do with it but then the new draft class also has the same issues with the best SP in the draft being scouted as potentially being a top closer someday.

Anyone else ever notice this before? Explanations? It's a little annoying since this is a scouts league and of course we rely on the accuracy of those reports.

Sandberg · 09-07-2018, 07:06 PM

An example. Pretty much always the last line of the scouting report indicates something about being a reliever or closer.

Sandberg · 09-08-2018, 11:30 AM

Weird that nobody else has ever seen this. Could it be a bug perhaps?

damientheomen3 · 09-08-2018, 07:44 PM

I haven't seen this before but I'm certainly not as experienced with OOTP 19 as most of the regulars on here. Are the players all being listed as relievers/closers as their position in the various roster pages/player lists or is it only in the scouting reports? And have you tried advancing a day and/or running a league-wide re-scout in the league settings?

quillenl · 09-08-2018, 10:40 PM

I can answer some questions being in the league.
1) Several are seeing that and had the same thought. When swapping to 19, many players were reset as RPs. These players were changed to SP and scout still saw them the same as well.

2)We've advanced several times having converted on Game Date of Jan 1st, and having just yesterday simmed the first 2 weeks of the season.

Drstrangelove · 09-09-2018, 03:13 AM

I checked my team and all the pitchers are correctly scouted for roles in the scout dialogue. And I did have my game upgraded from 18, so the transition was in that sense flawless.

I realize you posted an "example", but the pitcher you posted is: 1) called a reliever (RP) under his position; and, 2) apparently only has 2 pitches. Players can designate pitchers as SP, RP or CL, but even if the game does that, the scout will evaluate the pitcher based on his scouting preferences and the pitchers skills. He's not a "starter" to a scout who only sees 2 pitches, more so, if the player is also designated as RP by the GM. The fact that he might really start will not change those results.

This issue came up a while ago where some posters were discussing using 2-pitch pitchers as starters because the pitchers had stamina and 2 great pitches. If your league has a lot of 2-pitch "starters", a reset on the DB might create a bunch of closers due to that.

The more complicated answer is that along the process you described, the databases got corrupted, although the example isn't convincing of that. E.g., a 28 year old Tanaka or Darvish, designated as starters, but being scouted as relievers instead, would I think prove the corruption.

quillenl · 09-09-2018, 04:40 PM

Here is one listed as a SP with 4 pitches on my team. The player in the first example also has 4 pitches, but scout just refers to the two elite pitches.

quillenl · 09-09-2018, 04:49 PM

To add some specifics to the example I posted above.

On game date April 1st, Porter was listed as a SP. My scout reviewed him using the standard scouting as an RP.

Oddly enough, when scouting the draft starters were scouted correctly as SPers where approprioate (at least by my scout and the OSA). Once they were drafted and recouted in April they were listed in the scouting reports as RPer despite being set as SPers and with the scouting report reflecting seeing them as relievers. I have 3 I drafted prior to season start that all show the same change.

dbqs · 09-10-2018, 09:31 AM

The problem is Aroldis Chapman is your scout and all he knows about is closing.

Drstrangelove · 09-10-2018, 07:12 PM

That last player makes no sense to me. Makes me think something was corrupted, but that's not too helpful since it might not be the problem at all. The mismatch seems to be between the middle (pitch) passage and the ending (summary projection) passage, as if in some other universe, that pitcher would naturally be a reliever. Sort of like one or more of the settings you see in-game aren't the ones actually being used, but instead another set was retained. Could relate back to the move. Is it possible to do a global reset? Would that work for this?

kackle85 · 09-16-2018, 10:52 PM

In my current fictional league I am experiencing the same issue. Every pitcher in the league is scouted as a reliever. Not one scouting report shows a pitcher as a starter.

quillenl · 09-17-2018, 05:01 PM

This issue went away when we passed the point in the schedule where a new league wide development report was issued.

09-07-2018, 06:45 PM	#1
Sandberg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 568	Starters scouted as relievers Asahi3 is experiencing a weird situation where even the best starting pitchers in the league are being scouted and reported on as though they are relievers. We moved our league from v17 this past off season and also switched databases from Spritz HS debut to the default OOTP random debut database. I wonder if this has anything to do with it but then the new draft class also has the same issues with the best SP in the draft being scouted as potentially being a top closer someday. Anyone else ever notice this before? Explanations? It's a little annoying since this is a scouts league and of course we rely on the accuracy of those reports. __________________ Shawn Dylla Asahi 3 Baseball - Commissioner and Twins

09-07-2018, 07:06 PM	#2
Sandberg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 568	An example. Pretty much always the last line of the scouting report indicates something about being a reliever or closer. Attached Images __________________ Shawn Dylla Asahi 3 Baseball - Commissioner and Twins

09-08-2018, 11:30 AM	#3
Sandberg All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 568	Weird that nobody else has ever seen this. Could it be a bug perhaps? __________________ Shawn Dylla Asahi 3 Baseball - Commissioner and Twins

09-08-2018, 10:40 PM	#5
quillenl All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 581	I can answer some questions being in the league. 1) Several are seeing that and had the same thought. When swapping to 19, many players were reset as RPs. These players were changed to SP and scout still saw them the same as well. 2)We've advanced several times having converted on Game Date of Jan 1st, and having just yesterday simmed the first 2 weeks of the season. __________________ Last edited by quillenl; 09-08-2018 at 10:45 PM.

09-09-2018, 03:13 AM	#6
Drstrangelove Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 346	I checked my team and all the pitchers are correctly scouted for roles in the scout dialogue. And I did have my game upgraded from 18, so the transition was in that sense flawless. I realize you posted an "example", but the pitcher you posted is: 1) called a reliever (RP) under his position; and, 2) apparently only has 2 pitches. Players can designate pitchers as SP, RP or CL, but even if the game does that, the scout will evaluate the pitcher based on his scouting preferences and the pitchers skills. He's not a "starter" to a scout who only sees 2 pitches, more so, if the player is also designated as RP by the GM. The fact that he might really start will not change those results. This issue came up a while ago where some posters were discussing using 2-pitch pitchers as starters because the pitchers had stamina and 2 great pitches. If your league has a lot of 2-pitch "starters", a reset on the DB might create a bunch of closers due to that. The more complicated answer is that along the process you described, the databases got corrupted, although the example isn't convincing of that. E.g., a 28 year old Tanaka or Darvish, designated as starters, but being scouted as relievers instead, would I think prove the corruption. Last edited by Drstrangelove; 09-09-2018 at 03:36 AM.

09-09-2018, 04:40 PM	#7
quillenl All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 581	Here is one listed as a SP with 4 pitches on my team. The player in the first example also has 4 pitches, but scout just refers to the two elite pitches. Attached Images __________________ Last edited by quillenl; 09-09-2018 at 04:43 PM.

09-09-2018, 04:49 PM	#8
quillenl All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 581	To add some specifics to the example I posted above. On game date April 1st, Porter was listed as a SP. My scout reviewed him using the standard scouting as an RP. Oddly enough, when scouting the draft starters were scouted correctly as SPers where approprioate (at least by my scout and the OSA). Once they were drafted and recouted in April they were listed in the scouting reports as RPer despite being set as SPers and with the scouting report reflecting seeing them as relievers. I have 3 I drafted prior to season start that all show the same change. __________________

09-10-2018, 09:31 AM	#9
dbqs Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Comiskey Posts: 316	The problem is Aroldis Chapman is your scout and all he knows about is closing. __________________

09-10-2018, 07:12 PM	#10
Drstrangelove Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 346	That last player makes no sense to me. Makes me think something was corrupted, but that's not too helpful since it might not be the problem at all. The mismatch seems to be between the middle (pitch) passage and the ending (summary projection) passage, as if in some other universe, that pitcher would naturally be a reliever. Sort of like one or more of the settings you see in-game aren't the ones actually being used, but instead another set was retained. Could relate back to the move. Is it possible to do a global reset? Would that work for this? Last edited by Drstrangelove; 09-10-2018 at 07:16 PM.

09-16-2018, 10:52 PM	#11
kackle85 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 71	In my current fictional league I am experiencing the same issue. Every pitcher in the league is scouted as a reliever. Not one scouting report shows a pitcher as a starter.

09-17-2018, 05:01 PM	#12
quillenl All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 581	This issue went away when we passed the point in the schedule where a new league wide development report was issued. __________________