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Old 05-25-2020, 04:16 PM   #1
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Minor League Contracts with Major League Options Question

Hello,
I'm into the 2021 season now on OOTP 21. I signed MANY low-priced veteran FA's to minor league deals with major league options.

I thought the rule was that after 30 days, their contracts automatically become guaranteed and they can also file/leave for free agency if they choose.

We are now more than 30 days into the season. I'm on Monday, April 26th in my league and the opening day was on March 25th (April 23rd should've been the 30th day of the season).

All of these players (Jonathan Villar, Edwin Encarnacion, Tyler Flowers, Josh Reddick, Tony Wolters, Yoenis Cespedes are still in my AAA team).

I was expecting a notice on the 30th day ... so I was playing to see what would happen. I traded several other FA major league veterans with this same contract type, but still have the rest above.


I couldn't recall exactly what would happen on the 30th day, so I was testing with simulations to see. I have a saved game from the 22nd - before the 30th day.

I think perhaps their contracts became guaranteed and my budget now reflects that? Is there anyway to tell for sure without knowing my previous budget?

Can anyone remind me of the rule???

Can I STILL trade the remaining guys and eliminate their contracts from my books for the year (pro-rated of course by a couple games)??

Why haven't they filed for FA left if they are able to?
This surprises me since I still have them all in AAA.

Maybe they DID file but there's no actual "notice" in the "Mail and news"

Thanks for any support/guidance.

I'm trying to decide whether to roll back to the 22nd of April and trade them all QUICKLY.

Thanks,
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Old 05-25-2020, 06:35 PM   #2
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I had the same thing happen. I discovered on April 8 that $7.5 million worth of such contracts were all on my payroll. If you go back to your April 22 save I guarantee that's what you'll see. They're not even on your 40 man, you're just on the hook for all the money.
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Old 05-25-2020, 06:52 PM   #3
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As far as trading them, yes they can be traded, and the funny thing is the fact that they're not on the 40 man gives them some trade value. My suggestion:

1) Pick the most expensive contract you want to unload. Shop him with all boxes checked.
2) If anyone offers a non-40 man player, investigate that deal. They see the player as a positive asset, so maybe they'll throw in some cash that can help cover any salary you can't trade
3) If nobody does, see who offered you a guy making league minimum (or at least less than the guy you're offering). They may not see the player as much of a positive asset, but they're willing to pay his salary to get someone else off their roster. Try and extract salary retention of the player you're getting back, and/or cash.
4) Repeat the process in descending order of contract, throwing in any "free" players the previous deals have netted you if it greases things along to get more cash or salary retained and wipe out the unwanted salaries.

Whatever your "don't fleece the AI" scruples are, it's defensible to abandon them here, since you're just correcting an apparent glitch in the game. Although I guess you could also just correct it in commissioner mode, which literally just occurred to me as I was typing this and would have saved me an hour of screwing around with trades to get rid of them in my game.

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Old 05-25-2020, 08:57 PM   #4
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This is a bug
Should be reported as such
And the developers should fix it
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Old 05-25-2020, 09:21 PM   #5
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Thanks so much for the response. As for this experience -> " I discovered on April 8 that $7.5 million worth of such contracts were all on my payroll. If you go back to your April 22 save I guarantee that's what you'll see. They're not even on your 40 man, you're just on the hook for all the money." Not sure I'm seeing the same thing. My payroll had reflected their "possible major league cost the entire time, because as soon as I signed them all to minor league contracts with major league options" --- all my money for free agents drained away. So It seems like their "potential money" has always been reflected. As I started trading some away, I saw my payroll climb again.

As for the ones still on my AAA team, I didn't think about your suggestion #2 or 4 ... good ideas!!!

Let me rephrase my overall question one more way.

Has it already "COST" me anything to keep these players through my current game date (other than their Major league option contract pro-rated to a "few" days since it's only been a "few" days since the 30-day date?

Has it really cost me anything yet besides that?

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Old 05-25-2020, 09:23 PM   #6
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Oh sorry, is the "GLITCH in the game" you were referring to the fact that these players haven't "filed as Free agents yet" and thus "left" my AAA team?

I don't really have any scruples of side-stepping the AI in this particular instance since this is me learning the ropes of this minors/to major league option thing for the very first time.

Thanks!
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Old 05-25-2020, 09:25 PM   #7
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CBeisbol, what is the bug exactly???
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Old 05-25-2020, 11:30 PM   #8
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The players are not being promoted, but their contracts are being treated as if they were.

If they weren't promoted, they should have elected free agency or remained on minor league contracts
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Old 05-26-2020, 07:16 AM   #9
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I noticed this a couple days ago and mentioned it too. This was an issue that was fixed but somehow it has reappeared. I have reopened the bug and let Matt know that it is back and linked this thread.
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Old 05-26-2020, 11:57 AM   #10
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The above is not quite correct. After 30 days, the players may opt out into free agency, however they often will not. If they do not, then the split contract remains, it does not simply revert to a normal minor league deal, so if they are later promoted they would still get the non-minimum salary the contract listed.

I don't believe they should count towards any payroll numbers, but would have to see screenshots of the relevant financial pages to know for sure. I believe they may show up on the player salary page under the full amount, if you looked at your actual projected player expenses, they would not be counted there.
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Old 05-26-2020, 12:04 PM   #11
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The above is not quite correct. After 30 days, the players may opt out into free agency, however they often will not. If they do not, then the split contract remains, it does not simply revert to a normal minor league deal, so if they are later promoted they would still get the non-minimum salary the contract listed.

I don't believe they should count towards any payroll numbers, but would have to see screenshots of the relevant financial pages to know for sure. I believe they may show up on the player salary page under the full amount, if you looked at your actual projected player expenses, they would not be counted there.
The issue is happening where if you sign a guy to a MiLB contract w/MLB option, you get the message that you cannot option them because they have a MLB contract is back. I signed a bunch of guys before spring training and when I went to option them (not on 40 man roster) it would not let me do it, the contract shows a Minor League Contract but they do count towards your salary if you try and release them.
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Old 05-26-2020, 02:13 PM   #12
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Hello Matt thanks for your response so to check this I would compare the player salaries page total to the projected player salaries total. I will do that and share the info! Thanks!
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Old 05-26-2020, 02:25 PM   #13
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Here are the relevant screenshots ... having trouble doing the accounting tie-out for th differences. I see player salaries page with total of $285,600,000 but then on the main front office page on the Financial Summary section I see $282,756,668 for Player Payroll and on the Expenses section I see $284,137,443 for the Player payroll. Also showing 40-man roster to show that none of Encarnacion, Villar, Flowers, Cespedes or Reddick are actually on my active or 40-man yet!

Am I on the HOOK already for their $3M, $2.9M, $2.5M, $1.6M and $1.2M salaries or do I only have to pay $563,500 each as of right now? Or pay nothing cause they are still "minor leaguers" now??

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