Catcher strategy

[brian_msbc]

I have a low bat, high defense/ability Catcher and a bat first, low defense/ability Catcher. I would LIKE to start the game with the D first option and bring the bat first option in games where I’m losing in the 7th inning. Is there anyway to set my lineup to accomplish this?

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by brian_msbc

I have a low bat, high defense/ability Catcher and a bat first, low defense/ability Catcher. I would LIKE to start the game with the D first option and bring the bat first option in games where I’m losing in the 7th inning. Is there anyway to set my lineup to accomplish this?

No direct way that I'm aware of

Indirectly, you could try a few things

You could set your hitting catcher as a defensive replacement. Then set your use of defensive replacements sliders to maximize their use. This would, of course, effect whatever other defensive replacements you have set up as well

Also, assuming your defensive catcher is the worst hitter in your lineup, you could set your pinch hitting strategy to as frequent as possible and hope your starting catcher gets pinch hit for a lot forcing your other catcher into the game

[Brad K]

Something new. The typical strategy is to get the lead and bring in the defense.

[brian_msbc]

Originally Posted by Brad K

Something new. The typical strategy is to get the lead and bring in the defense.

I think that would only happen if I have the lead. I would want to bring in the hitting catcher if we are losing.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by brian_msbc

I think that would only happen if I have the lead. I would want to bring in the hitting catcher if we are losing.

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Also, assuming your defensive catcher is the worst hitter in your lineup, you could set your pinch hitting strategy to as frequent as possible and hope your starting catcher gets pinch hit for a lot forcing your other catcher into the game

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[rudel.dietrich]

It is your team and you are free to do what you wish. I also don't know what the gap in run production is between the two catchers.
But the defensive catcher would have to be preventing an almost impossible amount of runs to make up for the ones he is not producing at the plate.

In my experience it is almost always better to go with the offensive catcher as the runs created makes up for the runs given away.

You could also closely examine their splits and see if perhaps one of the other is worth platooning.

If you could post some screenshots I would be curious to know just how big of a difference between them that there is.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

It is your team and you are free to do what you wish. I also don't know what the gap in run production is between the two catchers.
But the defensive catcher would have to be preventing an almost impossible amount of runs to make up for the ones he is not producing at the plate.

In my experience it is almost always better to go with the offensive catcher as the runs created makes up for the runs given away.

You could also closely examine their splits and see if perhaps one of the other is worth platooning.

If you could post some screenshots I would be curious to know just how big of a difference between them that there is.

According to this study
https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=308062

There can be a difference of 60 runs in an extreme case

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by brian_msbc

I think that would only happen if I have the lead. I would want to bring in the hitting catcher if we are losing.

If you followed traditional strategy if you were behind your offensive catcher would already be in the game. He would have been the starter. That's why I said something new.

If you start the defensive C, unless your offensive catcher is the best hitter on the bench which often wouldn't be the case you don't want to bring him directly. You want a PH with him subbing for the PH.

[lencombs]

I think cranking up the use Pinch Hitters 7th inning and later in Strategy would be the closest to what you're looking for to kick start the offense when trailing late, but can't fine tune it to specific players.

[GTAltman]

Could get away, maybe with PLAYER STRATEGY and Bench after X%. But you then run the risk of Defensive Guy coming out with a lead.

You can mitigate that if your BP has decent hold ratings a tad bit....

[brian_msbc]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

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He’s definitely my worst hitter, so this may work. I’ll try it!

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by brian_msbc

I have a low bat, high defense/ability Catcher and a bat first, low defense/ability Catcher. I would LIKE to start the game with the D first option and bring the bat first option in games where I’m losing in the 7th inning. Is there anyway to set my lineup to accomplish this?

This is an interesting idea, I suppose I sort of do this already by pinch-hitting for the bad-bat C and putting the backup in, which I do more than math/conventional strategy would dictate. I don't usually roll with a bad-bat C in the first place, I always prioritize the position on my teams. But your way of looking at the situation is interesting.



I don't know have any different ideas to automate it though.

[GTAltman]

Originally Posted by BBGiovanni

This is an interesting idea, I suppose I sort of do this already by pinch-hitting for the bad-bat C and putting the backup in, which I do more than math/conventional strategy would dictate. I don't usually roll with a bad-bat C in the first place, I always prioritize the position on my teams. But your way of looking at the situation is interesting.

I don't know have any different ideas to automate it though.

I guess another way to look at this is that if you're in a DH league you could "afford" to punt a spot in the batting order, much like you weren't in a DH league and a P would be in the #9 spot.

If the bad bat C could bunt, you could turn those settings all the way up and mitigate his awful-ness while continuing to reduce runs allowed

Maybe a different way to look at it

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by GTAltman

I guess another way to look at this is that if you're in a DH league you could "afford" to punt a spot in the batting order, much like you weren't in a DH league and a P would be in the #9 spot.

If the bad bat C could bunt, you could turn those settings all the way up and mitigate his awful-ness while continuing to reduce runs allowed

Maybe a different way to look at it

So the next question is where to bat him. Maybe cleanup to maximize his bunt opportunities?

[Will_L]

Originally Posted by Brad K

So the next question is where to bat him. Maybe cleanup to maximize his bunt opportunities?

Definitely batting third because if the leadoff and #2 hitter make outs why not let him put the finishing touches on ending the inning and use your usual #3 to lead off the 2nd inning.

[ThePretender]

Originally Posted by GTAltman

I guess another way to look at this is that if you're in a DH league you could "afford" to punt a spot in the batting order, much like you weren't in a DH league and a P would be in the #9 spot.

If the bad bat C could bunt, you could turn those settings all the way up and mitigate his awful-ness while continuing to reduce runs allowed

Maybe a different way to look at it

I would say the opposite - no team, even in a dh league, can ever afford to punt a lineup spot. That's code for "you need to upgrade that player ".

If you're not getting at least 3 war out of each spot in your lineup, then that player is lowering your chance of winning. Sounds more like OP needs a new catcher rather than trying to find a way to make this work.

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by GTAltman

I guess another way to look at this is that if you're in a DH league

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I'm more likely to try a bad-bat SS if he's a superior defender because he can help shore up defense at 3B/SS. Then if he can run I bat him 8th in front of the pitcher; if he gets on with less than 2 outs he's more likely to be able to score if the pitcher or anyone else can put a bat on the ball. I'm with ThePretender about playing guys that can't hit but we've all had teams where we don't have a choice sometimes.

[CBeisbol]

Reminder that catcher defense isn't fully captured by WAR and the catcher's defensive contributions go to the pitcher

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/....php?p=4554104