Ok, I have come looking for answers...

Mugatu64 · 03-14-2022, 08:32 PM

I have tried to search the internet for my answers and in this case, I have not found them on any site or video yet.

Problem: my relief pitchers will lose games where I have a 1 or 2 run lead. I have almost come to expect it. This is starting to annoy me.

Here are some settings I use:

I'm playing modern day rules with a fictional league of players.

My ratings are 1 to 10. I suspect that if a guy is rated "7", he could be a "71" or a "79". I use this rating system because I was used to it in an older version of OOTP and I'm familiar with it.

I use the "one pitch" method.

I have "warmup pitcher" rule off. Thing is if I didn't know any better the way the RP blows leads almost all of the time, I'm thinking the game still thinks that rule is on. Now most of my RP's are 7 (STU) 6 (MOV) 6(CON) on average. I have a few that are higher. I try to save my best ones for the 8th inning, and my CL for the 9th (just putting it out there) in the close games but this season has been brutal. I also notice that a lot of times, I will get the first 2 batters out and then the bad stuff starts to happen.

I'm not attempting to drag the game. What I am picking up on by watching the videos of other players is that the game of baseball has statistically changed than when I was watching more closely. I'm just wondering if a reliever is only supposed to face a few batters and then come out, rather than try to pitch an entire inning?

I have noticed (this is new to me so let me put that out there) that a pitcher (RP) must face maybe 3 batters before he can be switched? Sometimes he's walked a batter and given up runs and with 0 outs you dread sending someone else in.

I just want to know if this sounds familiar and am I missing something obvious. The game is plenty complex, and I have spent a lot of time reading websites, blogs, and watching videos on all sorts of things that I have had questions on but this particular one I can't find a thing on. That leads me to believe I am missing something here.

Any help would be appreciated.

thehef · 03-14-2022, 08:42 PM

How far into your season are you? If it's just a few weeks or something like that, just give it time. But also consider that every year in real life MLB there is one team that will lead the league in blown saves

Mugatu64 · 03-14-2022, 09:01 PM

I'm 18-18 into my season. Mid-May.

Brad K · 03-14-2022, 09:28 PM

If you were playing 600 ball - a very good percentage - you'd be 22-14. And if it's all your relievers fault they would have blown 4 saves. That's not significant or indicative of a pattern. Give it some time.

Mugatu64 · 03-14-2022, 09:56 PM

Just out of curiosity, do you look at the pitcher's ratings in determining who you deem good and bad or are you looking at run support and defense that you have in order to judge a keeper?

My team is hitting horribly right now as nobody is hitting close to what their ratings suggest they hit at, but my infield is decent and I have two outfielders that have great arms. With that I have been looking for trades for pitchers with more stuff ratings and control. Sadly I have one pitcher who is great (9 stuff) but he has 4 stam so it is hit or miss if he can get 5 innings.

Is there a stat that would show the relationship between the starter's innings pitched and the RP's? Like I know there are quality starts and FIP but I mean if a starting pitcher leaves after 6 innings and a 4 run lead and my RP's give up those runs, is there a way to see that is some stat or I would just have to go through each game log and see that individually per game - what starter had a lead and what RP's let that go.

Sorry, I just googled "Meltdown" and now I have to see if I can find that in my pitchers stats. Sounds like that and shutdown would be a good barometer for RP's.

Brad K · 03-15-2022, 12:11 AM

I don't play fictional. I don't know if the talent distribution of fictional players matches that of real life players.

With real life players I'd be looking to upgrade any RPs at less than 3 stars unless the individual ratings indicated they were a very high 2.5 stars. If I had a pen of 3 star pitchers with a 3.5 or 4 in the mix I wouldn't be thinking of making any changes after only 36 games.

jcard · 03-15-2022, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugatu64

My ratings are 1 to 10. I suspect that if a guy is rated "7", he could be a "71" or a "79".

Not directly addressing your larger question, but still perhaps worth noting:
I believe that a 7 rating, to use your example, actually corresponds to ratings range 61-70.

Bluenoser · 03-15-2022, 04:52 AM

3 batter faced is a rule implemented by MLB recently.

In OOTP it's optional. Look under league setup, Rules Tab, left hand side near the top.

Mugatu64 · 03-15-2022, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluenoser

3 batter faced is a rule implemented by MLB recently.

In OOTP it's optional. Look under league setup, Rules Tab, left hand side near the top.

Ahhh... good to know.

Now I have heard a rumor that there is now a "universal DH"? That covers the national league?

Also they are getting rid of "the shift"? Outfield shift?

Anyone here about any of these?

Mugatu64 · 03-15-2022, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcard

Not directly addressing your larger question, but still perhaps worth noting:
I believe that a 7 rating, to use your example, actually corresponds to ratings range 61-70.

Oh, then I think I am going to switch my ratings back to 20 - 80 and see if that sheds some light on my guys.

Thanks for this.

EDIT: Yeah, Im very surprised to see some of the ratings of guys that I thought would be good arent that good. I took a look around the league and I dont think that my team is that far off from the great teams.

Still, some of the meltdowns that a few of my RP;s have on them dont bode well. I would like to know what rating or trait would tie in to a guy who will blow saves a lot.

Brad K · 03-15-2022, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugatu64

Still, some of the meltdowns that a few of my RP;s have on them dont bode well. I would like to know what rating or trait would tie in to a guy who will blow saves a lot.

You haven't shown you have a lot of blown saves. See post 4.

Anyway, the trait that goes along with blown saves is guys who give up a lot of runs.

progen · 03-16-2022, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mugatu64

Ahhh... good to know.

Now I have heard a rumor that there is now a "universal DH"? That covers the national league?

Also they are getting rid of "the shift"? Outfield shift?

Anyone here about any of these?

Universal DH is in. Sorry, can't help you with the rest.

03-14-2022, 08:32 PM	#1
Mugatu64 Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 11	Ok, I have come looking for answers... I have tried to search the internet for my answers and in this case, I have not found them on any site or video yet. Problem: my relief pitchers will lose games where I have a 1 or 2 run lead. I have almost come to expect it. This is starting to annoy me. Here are some settings I use: I'm playing modern day rules with a fictional league of players. My ratings are 1 to 10. I suspect that if a guy is rated "7", he could be a "71" or a "79". I use this rating system because I was used to it in an older version of OOTP and I'm familiar with it. I use the "one pitch" method. I have "warmup pitcher" rule off. Thing is if I didn't know any better the way the RP blows leads almost all of the time, I'm thinking the game still thinks that rule is on. Now most of my RP's are 7 (STU) 6 (MOV) 6(CON) on average. I have a few that are higher. I try to save my best ones for the 8th inning, and my CL for the 9th (just putting it out there) in the close games but this season has been brutal. I also notice that a lot of times, I will get the first 2 batters out and then the bad stuff starts to happen. I'm not attempting to drag the game. What I am picking up on by watching the videos of other players is that the game of baseball has statistically changed than when I was watching more closely. I'm just wondering if a reliever is only supposed to face a few batters and then come out, rather than try to pitch an entire inning? I have noticed (this is new to me so let me put that out there) that a pitcher (RP) must face maybe 3 batters before he can be switched? Sometimes he's walked a batter and given up runs and with 0 outs you dread sending someone else in. I just want to know if this sounds familiar and am I missing something obvious. The game is plenty complex, and I have spent a lot of time reading websites, blogs, and watching videos on all sorts of things that I have had questions on but this particular one I can't find a thing on. That leads me to believe I am missing something here. Any help would be appreciated.

03-14-2022, 09:28 PM	#4
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,462 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	If you were playing 600 ball - a very good percentage - you'd be 22-14. And if it's all your relievers fault they would have blown 4 saves. That's not significant or indicative of a pattern. Give it some time. __________________ Pirates Play Moneyball 1951 to 2008 46,000 views and counting!... Wow, up to 47,000, thank you. Wow, I hadn't checked for weeks. Oct 9 2024 its 79,561. THIS must be a great idea. My consistent detractors didn't show up en masse to argue against it. They didn't show up HERE either. Last edited by Brad K; 03-15-2022 at 10:48 PM.

03-15-2022, 12:11 AM	#6
Brad K Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2016 Location: St Petersburg Florida USA Posts: 6,462 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I don't play fictional. I don't know if the talent distribution of fictional players matches that of real life players. With real life players I'd be looking to upgrade any RPs at less than 3 stars unless the individual ratings indicated they were a very high 2.5 stars. If I had a pen of 3 star pitchers with a 3.5 or 4 in the mix I wouldn't be thinking of making any changes after only 36 games. __________________ Pirates Play Moneyball 1951 to 2008 46,000 views and counting!... Wow, up to 47,000, thank you. Wow, I hadn't checked for weeks. Oct 9 2024 its 79,561. THIS must be a great idea. My consistent detractors didn't show up en masse to argue against it. They didn't show up HERE either.

03-14-2022, 08:42 PM	#2
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,332	How far into your season are you? If it's just a few weeks or something like that, just give it time. But also consider that every year in real life MLB there is one team that will lead the league in blown saves

03-14-2022, 09:01 PM	#3
Mugatu64 Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 11	I'm 18-18 into my season. Mid-May.

03-14-2022, 09:56 PM	#5
Mugatu64 Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 11	Just out of curiosity, do you look at the pitcher's ratings in determining who you deem good and bad or are you looking at run support and defense that you have in order to judge a keeper? My team is hitting horribly right now as nobody is hitting close to what their ratings suggest they hit at, but my infield is decent and I have two outfielders that have great arms. With that I have been looking for trades for pitchers with more stuff ratings and control. Sadly I have one pitcher who is great (9 stuff) but he has 4 stam so it is hit or miss if he can get 5 innings. Is there a stat that would show the relationship between the starter's innings pitched and the RP's? Like I know there are quality starts and FIP but I mean if a starting pitcher leaves after 6 innings and a 4 run lead and my RP's give up those runs, is there a way to see that is some stat or I would just have to go through each game log and see that individually per game - what starter had a lead and what RP's let that go. Sorry, I just googled "Meltdown" and now I have to see if I can find that in my pitchers stats. Sounds like that and shutdown would be a good barometer for RP's.

03-15-2022, 04:52 AM	#8
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,076	3 batter faced is a rule implemented by MLB recently. In OOTP it's optional. Look under league setup, Rules Tab, left hand side near the top.