Newer Brisbane Bandits Attempt

PSUColonel · 05-26-2022, 02:42 AM

Here is an attempt on the updated Brisbane Bandits:

PSUColonel · 05-26-2022, 02:49 AM

Can someone please explain to me how these textures work? Are they absolutely necessary? They take up a lot of room, and make things very confusing.

eriqjaffe · 05-26-2022, 10:43 AM

There are really only two files the game uses - the Diffuse Map (the plain, untextured jersey) and the Normal Map (the bluish/purplish version of the jersey).

How it works in-game: The Normal Map is used by the game to determine the relative height and depth of the jersey elements, so that elements that are sewn on like a wordmark or a name or number appear to be visibly "on top" of the jersey. It is the texture. The Diffuse Map is painted onto the Normal Map by the 3D engine. If you load a Diffuse Map without a corresponding Normal Map the jersey will look "flat" and it's a very clear difference.

Normal Maps for OOTP are best generated from a grayscale Height Map using third party tools such as Materialize (I know you use a Mac and Materialize isn't an option for you). I won't go into that here as the Uniform Maker output contains information on how that works. Someday I would like to be able to automatically generate Normal Maps in the Uniform Maker but I still haven't figured out a good way of doing that. The Uniform Maker includes a "generic" Normal Map so you at least don't get a completely flat looking jersey.

As a convenience, the Uniform Maker also includes a "textured" file, which is basically what we've always used with OOTP - shadows, fabric folds, etc. are static and already part of the file.

So you have two options:

Use the "jerseys_team_name.png" and "jerseys_team_name_n.png" that are included in the zip. OOTP filters out the latter of those two in the file dialog but as long as it's there the game will pick it up and apply it.
Use just the jerseys_team_name_textured.png. If you load that, the game will not pick up the normal map because of the differences in the file names.

The primary difference between the Diffuse/Normal and Textured methods are that the former will allow for more realistic, dynamic lighting. The shadows and highlights are determined dynamically by the Normal Map instead of being static like they are in the Textured jersey.

For your purposes, and for future-proofing as the in-game 3D evolves, I'd recommend posting the Diffuse Map, the Height Map and the generic Normal Map of the jerseys.

Hopefully that makes sense.

PSUColonel · 05-26-2022, 01:03 PM

OK, so if I understand what you are saying correctly...these are the files (the ones above) I DON"T need. I need the plain uniform (no textures, wrinkles etc) and the purple file.

Is this correct?

eriqjaffe · 05-26-2022, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

OK, so if I understand what you are saying correctly...these are the files (the ones above) I DON"T need. I need the plain uniform (no textures, wrinkles etc) and the purple file.

Is this correct?

For your own personal use, sure. For purposes of distribution I'd go with the opposite and only post the plain uniform and the purple file.

PSUColonel · 05-27-2022, 12:37 AM

OK...so then this should be OK for publishing?

PSUColonel · 05-27-2022, 12:38 AM

or these?

PSUColonel · 05-27-2022, 01:00 AM

Ok...I think I am getting the hang of it now..here is another I tried:

eriqjaffe · 05-27-2022, 11:42 AM

There you go. Another thing you can do is attach the .zip file that the app generates to the post, as long as it's less than 3mb. That way everything gets included.

mso94 · 05-27-2022, 02:17 PM

So I cant seem to find the answer to this. Are all the Jerseys going to have to be this style of art work now. Instead of the old version of one file and not 3 (Jersey, Grey and Blue Files)

eriqjaffe · 05-27-2022, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mso94

So I cant seem to find the answer to this. Are all the Jerseys going to have to be this style of art work now. Instead of the old version of one file and not 3 (Jersey, Grey and Blue Files)

The old jerseys will still work, although not without some minor issues.

cephasjames · 05-27-2022, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mso94

So I cant seem to find the answer to this. Are all the Jerseys going to have to be this style of art work now. Instead of the old version of one file and not 3 (Jersey, Grey and Blue Files)

And the new style only uses two files, not three.

eriqjaffe · 05-27-2022, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cephasjames

And the new style only uses two files, not three.

True, but the height map is useful for creating the displacement map.

cephasjames · 05-27-2022, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

True, but the height map is useful for creating the displacement map.

True. Good point. I was just thinking about files actually used by the game.

mso94 · 05-27-2022, 06:10 PM

Wow. . was hoping we didnt have to go to the new files. But I guess we do.

Scipio Africanus · 05-27-2022, 06:38 PM

It really depends on how close up you want to see the players in 3D. If you watch the games from the default or wide cameras (or don't watch the games at all) the old jerseys are still good.

05-26-2022, 02:42 AM	#1
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	Newer Brisbane Bandits Attempt Here is an attempt on the updated Brisbane Bandits: Attached Images

05-26-2022, 10:43 AM	#3
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,712	There are really only two files the game uses - the Diffuse Map (the plain, untextured jersey) and the Normal Map (the bluish/purplish version of the jersey). How it works in-game: The Normal Map is used by the game to determine the relative height and depth of the jersey elements, so that elements that are sewn on like a wordmark or a name or number appear to be visibly "on top" of the jersey. It is the texture. The Diffuse Map is painted onto the Normal Map by the 3D engine. If you load a Diffuse Map without a corresponding Normal Map the jersey will look "flat" and it's a very clear difference. Normal Maps for OOTP are best generated from a grayscale Height Map using third party tools such as Materialize (I know you use a Mac and Materialize isn't an option for you). I won't go into that here as the Uniform Maker output contains information on how that works. Someday I would like to be able to automatically generate Normal Maps in the Uniform Maker but I still haven't figured out a good way of doing that. The Uniform Maker includes a "generic" Normal Map so you at least don't get a completely flat looking jersey. As a convenience, the Uniform Maker also includes a "textured" file, which is basically what we've always used with OOTP - shadows, fabric folds, etc. are static and already part of the file. So you have two options: Use the "jerseys_team_name.png" and "jerseys_team_name_n.png" that are included in the zip. OOTP filters out the latter of those two in the file dialog but as long as it's there the game will pick it up and apply it. Use just the jerseys_team_name_textured.png. If you load that, the game will not pick up the normal map because of the differences in the file names. The primary difference between the Diffuse/Normal and Textured methods are that the former will allow for more realistic, dynamic lighting. The shadows and highlights are determined dynamically by the Normal Map instead of being static like they are in the Textured jersey. For your purposes, and for future-proofing as the in-game 3D evolves, I'd recommend posting the Diffuse Map, the Height Map and the generic Normal Map of the jerseys. Hopefully that makes sense. __________________ Last edited by eriqjaffe; 05-26-2022 at 10:49 AM.

05-27-2022, 12:37 AM	#6
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	OK...so then this should be OK for publishing? Attached Images

05-27-2022, 12:38 AM	#7
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	or these? Attached Images

05-27-2022, 01:00 AM	#8
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	Ok...I think I am getting the hang of it now..here is another I tried: Attached Images

05-26-2022, 02:49 AM	#2
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	Can someone please explain to me how these textures work? Are they absolutely necessary? They take up a lot of room, and make things very confusing.

05-26-2022, 01:03 PM	#4
PSUColonel Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 13,117	OK, so if I understand what you are saying correctly...these are the files (the ones above) I DON"T need. I need the plain uniform (no textures, wrinkles etc) and the purple file. Is this correct?

05-27-2022, 11:42 AM	#9
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,712	There you go. Another thing you can do is attach the .zip file that the app generates to the post, as long as it's less than 3mb. That way everything gets included. __________________

05-27-2022, 02:17 PM	#10
mso94 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 416	So I cant seem to find the answer to this. Are all the Jerseys going to have to be this style of art work now. Instead of the old version of one file and not 3 (Jersey, Grey and Blue Files)

05-27-2022, 06:10 PM	#15
mso94 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 416	Wow. . was hoping we didnt have to go to the new files. But I guess we do.

05-27-2022, 06:38 PM	#16
Scipio Africanus Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 374	It really depends on how close up you want to see the players in 3D. If you watch the games from the default or wide cameras (or don't watch the games at all) the old jerseys are still good.