hate the new tournament structure

Drivehud.com · 03-28-2023, 01:03 PM

Open's, and diamonds basically get nothing. Not worth anyone's time, so you're going to get whales now playing down into gold and silver tournaments.

Rewards suck and are way lower. If it wasn't a grind before, well.. lol

I was teetering hard on the fence about getting this version because of the disaster of last year's version. It's difficult enough trying to play something w/ the amount of bugs this software has, but I love bball.

I'd love to hear how someone thinks it's much better than past years. Please.. go on.

Jeff1787 · 03-28-2023, 01:24 PM

I don't complain because I love OOTP. Last year I grinded out bronze tournaments and won a bunch of packs that helped get me to the diamond level as a F2P player.

This year's bronze tournaments are not worth playing at this point. I have put together a decent tournament team but winning only yields three packs; and that's grinding out tournaments all day to win just a few. Frankly, it is a joke!

Drivehud.com · 03-28-2023, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff1787

I don't complain because I love OOTP. Last year I grinded out bronze tournaments and won a bunch of packs that helped get me to the diamond level as a F2P player.

This year's bronze tournaments are not worth playing at this point. I have put together a decent tournament team but winning only yields three packs; and that's grinding out tournaments all day to win just a few. Frankly, it is a joke!

I hear you.

I feel stupid buying PP this year assuming there would be a reasonable tournament structure like past years. I even got OOTP+. Totally regretting this, and contemplating just taking the loss and not involving myself. You'd have to spend your whole life on this thing to be competitive this year. No thanks.

daves · 03-28-2023, 02:54 PM

For me, build a Meta team in PT22, then end game early. Not developers fault but still disappointing.

Started PT23 late, build Meta team only to introduce new game when final mission announced. Not developers fault, but could have been planned better to release all cards earlier before presenting new version.

PT24 major cash incentives and limited rewards. Not sure if or when I might play? Getting burned too often lately.

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Hwilensky · 03-28-2023, 08:40 PM

Agreed...Prize structure is weak this year. I am sure this a way to get people to purchase PP. There is no greater feeling than a tournament going for 3 hours and finishing second for 1 pack. I love it....said no one ever.

Art99 · 03-29-2023, 12:54 AM

It’s very disappointing. Looks like they don’t want tournament players to get as many packs so they will be more inclined to buy pp points. Gouge.

jd200600 · 03-29-2023, 01:12 AM

I have to agree. I have limited time to spam tourneys anyway, but there is no incentive for me to go through the hassle of opening my laptop just to spam with the rewards at the level that they are now. I bought PP+ this month, but that will likely be my last. I think it is a good value for those that can grind, or want to dump endless amounts of money into the game. Not for someone who will be bouncing back and forth between gold and Diamond at some point to finish up the last six months of game cycle.

For me, I am already at a point where I will be behind in a few weeks, so there is no real point in playing other than checking my team a few times a week and letting it sim.

bailey · 03-29-2023, 09:12 AM

You can build a competitive team with twitch drops alone. You just have to install the extension that claims the drops for you, but you have to log in.

Kushiel · 03-29-2023, 09:41 AM

The tournament changes for the worse are greasing my path to this being my last year. Before release, I said I would try one more year and this type of change is a heavy hit. Add in level seeding that goes higher and higher practically forcing people to tank the first Entry League. Most players need those early levels.

Drivehud.com · 03-29-2023, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

You can build a competitive team with twitch drops alone. You just have to install the extension that claims the drops for you, but you have to log in.

Bro, come on... no chance that's the case.

Oh, sorry my bad... I guess you're right. If you pull perfects every other pack, then you'd be correct.

HermanSmutley · 03-29-2023, 12:34 PM

I was umming and ahing about participating this year, thankfully this thread has made up my mind.

Magus978 · 03-29-2023, 01:12 PM

I think the intention with nerfing quick rewards was to funnel people into the dailies/weeklies. I've won 2-3 silver quicks per day over the past 72 hours, and it indicates to me that the fields in these are far weaker now that the rewards are pretty much not bothering with.

FWIW, I'm disappointed with the nerfed rewards too but if you guys remember they intended to do this last game but relented after player backlash. This time they finally went through with it. I'm going to continue to do the quicks (and hopefully win as much as I have), but not because I don't want to do the dailies/weeklies. It's because I know my build right now works for quicks but not in the bigger tournaments. Once I feel like I have something that can work in the dailies/weeklies, I could start to give one of my slots to those.

bailey · 03-29-2023, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Drivehud.com

Bro, come on... no chance that's the case.

Oh, sorry my bad... I guess you're right. If you pull perfects every other pack, then you'd be correct.

I define competitive team as making diamond league playoffs ~50% of the time. Last year my alternate team earned ~3000 packs and achieved that goal. Twitch drops average 55 per week and you make up the rest with login rewards at the non plus member level. Average pack luck. Key was starting in September, to power through the lower levels to pick up scads of points to buy BAL perfects at very low prices.

To make it work this year, start now and sell all your cards above bronze and forget league play until October. Then, armed with a couple million you can be in diamond by December and the rest will be history. Avoid missions (except live missions, done in October when it is dirt cheap to complete.)

Lowlyworm1 · 03-29-2023, 02:25 PM

I never really look at it how you guys do. If rewards are weak, they're weak for everyone and everyone will have the same challenges, making all cards more valuable. If they gave 20 packs for wins in quick tourneys, the cards themselves would all become less valuable and the auction prices would be garbage. A three pack win is valuable at this stage of the game as it should be given there aren't very many cards released right now. Rewards will go up as more cards are released to help keep a balance. Truth be told, I love this time of year. When I fade is end year when there are tons of packs to be had, but only five cards you actually want to pull out of the million that have been released!

Drivehud.com · 03-29-2023, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus978

I think the intention with nerfing quick rewards was to funnel people into the dailies/weeklies. I've won 2-3 silver quicks per day over the past 72 hours, and it indicates to me that the fields in these are far weaker now that the rewards are pretty much not bothering with.

FWIW, I'm disappointed with the nerfed rewards too but if you guys remember they intended to do this last game but relented after player backlash. This time they finally went through with it. I'm going to continue to do the quicks (and hopefully win as much as I have), but not because I don't want to do the dailies/weeklies. It's because I know my build right now works for quicks but not in the bigger tournaments. Once I feel like I have something that can work in the dailies/weeklies, I could start to give one of my slots to those.

Ya, I'm talking about the quick tournaments. I'm probably averaging about 7 packs a day, and I have a lot of access to register during the day, so I'm just spamming them as much as possible.

I just can't see spending this much time doing this for the low pack rewards. There's no way to compete w/ whales anymore. It's true that it will be relative - if everyone is struggling to get packs w/ low rewards, but that doesn't matter to whales.

LeeD · 03-31-2023, 12:27 AM

Yes, it's looking more and more like cash is king and work is for suckers. No more 10-pack rewards for the 32-team quicks. No more 32-team quicks at all. 16-team quicks reduced from 5 to 3 packs.Has anyone also noticed that the value-based missions have a new format which reduces what you get for Iron, Bronze, Silver, and Gold cards? Hello, bottlenecks!

It's now pay to win, especially with PT+ and the discounts on super-large PP purchases.

Fabtron7 · 04-01-2023, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LeeD

Yes, it's looking more and more like cash is king and work is for suckers. No more 10-pack rewards for the 32-team quicks. No more 32-team quicks at all. 16-team quicks reduced from 5 to 3 packs.Has anyone also noticed that the value-based missions have a new format which reduces what you get for Iron, Bronze, Silver, and Gold cards? Hello, bottlenecks!

It's now pay to win, especially with PT+ and the discounts on super-large PP purchases.

If I didn’t know better I’d swear they were trying to run a business over there!

giantwhiterabbit · 04-01-2023, 04:43 AM

Do they mess with pack odds at all? Every year, the first few days its diamonds and golds every other pack, and then nothing. Every year someone comes on here to stan the company and say well if you look at the average statistics it hits the numbers, but that doesnt say anything about if they are front loading those statistics.

logicliker · 04-06-2023, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabtron7

If I didn’t know better I’d swear they were trying to run a business over there!

ya and alienating your customers (a hardcore niche audience) by being increasingly more and more greedy is surely not the best way to run a business

PunishedF2P · 04-08-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Drivehud.com

Ya, I'm talking about the quick tournaments. I'm probably averaging about 7 packs a day, and I have a lot of access to register during the day, so I'm just spamming them as much as possible.

I just can't see spending this much time doing this for the low pack rewards. There's no way to compete w/ whales anymore. It's true that it will be relative - if everyone is struggling to get packs w/ low rewards, but that doesn't matter to whales.

Yep, cutting the rewards from 5-10 packs to 1-3 packs was the deal-breaker for me. Still playing, but just casual.

I used to get 30 packs a day, and that's while I was playing in some of the weekly/dailies. Now I'm getting like 5 packs a day. Killed it for me. Not worth taking the time to get the 1 pack.

03-28-2023, 01:03 PM	#1
Drivehud.com Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 252	hate the new tournament structure Open's, and diamonds basically get nothing. Not worth anyone's time, so you're going to get whales now playing down into gold and silver tournaments. Rewards suck and are way lower. If it wasn't a grind before, well.. lol I was teetering hard on the fence about getting this version because of the disaster of last year's version. It's difficult enough trying to play something w/ the amount of bugs this software has, but I love bball. I'd love to hear how someone thinks it's much better than past years. Please.. go on. __________________

03-28-2023, 02:54 PM	#4
daves Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,963	For me, build a Meta team in PT22, then end game early. Not developers fault but still disappointing. Started PT23 late, build Meta team only to introduce new game when final mission announced. Not developers fault, but could have been planned better to release all cards earlier before presenting new version. PT24 major cash incentives and limited rewards. Not sure if or when I might play? Getting burned too often lately. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

03-29-2023, 09:41 AM	#9
Kushiel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 1,810	The tournament changes for the worse are greasing my path to this being my last year. Before release, I said I would try one more year and this type of change is a heavy hit. Add in level seeding that goes higher and higher practically forcing people to tank the first Entry League. Most players need those early levels. __________________ *Favente Deo supero*

03-29-2023, 01:12 PM	#12
Magus978 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Behind you. BOO! Posts: 1,894	I think the intention with nerfing quick rewards was to funnel people into the dailies/weeklies. I've won 2-3 silver quicks per day over the past 72 hours, and it indicates to me that the fields in these are far weaker now that the rewards are pretty much not bothering with. FWIW, I'm disappointed with the nerfed rewards too but if you guys remember they intended to do this last game but relented after player backlash. This time they finally went through with it. I'm going to continue to do the quicks (and hopefully win as much as I have), but not because I don't want to do the dailies/weeklies. It's because I know my build right now works for quicks but not in the bigger tournaments. Once I feel like I have something that can work in the dailies/weeklies, I could start to give one of my slots to those. __________________ Never forgive, never forget. http://twitch.tv/GanbaMagus

03-28-2023, 01:24 PM	#2
Jeff1787 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Doghouse Posts: 3,557	I don't complain because I love OOTP. Last year I grinded out bronze tournaments and won a bunch of packs that helped get me to the diamond level as a F2P player. This year's bronze tournaments are not worth playing at this point. I have put together a decent tournament team but winning only yields three packs; and that's grinding out tournaments all day to win just a few. Frankly, it is a joke!

03-28-2023, 08:40 PM	#5
Hwilensky All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 753	Agreed...Prize structure is weak this year. I am sure this a way to get people to purchase PP. There is no greater feeling than a tournament going for 3 hours and finishing second for 1 pack. I love it....said no one ever.

03-29-2023, 12:54 AM	#6
Art99 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 242	It’s very disappointing. Looks like they don’t want tournament players to get as many packs so they will be more inclined to buy pp points. Gouge.

03-29-2023, 01:12 AM	#7
jd200600 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 139	I have to agree. I have limited time to spam tourneys anyway, but there is no incentive for me to go through the hassle of opening my laptop just to spam with the rewards at the level that they are now. I bought PP+ this month, but that will likely be my last. I think it is a good value for those that can grind, or want to dump endless amounts of money into the game. Not for someone who will be bouncing back and forth between gold and Diamond at some point to finish up the last six months of game cycle. For me, I am already at a point where I will be behind in a few weeks, so there is no real point in playing other than checking my team a few times a week and letting it sim.

03-29-2023, 09:12 AM	#8
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,407	You can build a competitive team with twitch drops alone. You just have to install the extension that claims the drops for you, but you have to log in.

03-29-2023, 12:34 PM	#11
HermanSmutley Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: England Posts: 95	I was umming and ahing about participating this year, thankfully this thread has made up my mind.

03-29-2023, 02:25 PM	#14
Lowlyworm1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2020 Posts: 32	I never really look at it how you guys do. If rewards are weak, they're weak for everyone and everyone will have the same challenges, making all cards more valuable. If they gave 20 packs for wins in quick tourneys, the cards themselves would all become less valuable and the auction prices would be garbage. A three pack win is valuable at this stage of the game as it should be given there aren't very many cards released right now. Rewards will go up as more cards are released to help keep a balance. Truth be told, I love this time of year. When I fade is end year when there are tons of packs to be had, but only five cards you actually want to pull out of the million that have been released!

03-31-2023, 12:27 AM	#16
LeeD All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 851	Yes, it's looking more and more like cash is king and work is for suckers. No more 10-pack rewards for the 32-team quicks. No more 32-team quicks at all. 16-team quicks reduced from 5 to 3 packs.Has anyone also noticed that the value-based missions have a new format which reduces what you get for Iron, Bronze, Silver, and Gold cards? Hello, bottlenecks! It's now pay to win, especially with PT+ and the discounts on super-large PP purchases.

04-01-2023, 04:43 AM	#18
giantwhiterabbit Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2023 Posts: 4	Do they mess with pack odds at all? Every year, the first few days its diamonds and golds every other pack, and then nothing. Every year someone comes on here to stan the company and say well if you look at the average statistics it hits the numbers, but that doesnt say anything about if they are front loading those statistics.