runners going first to third

s1murc1 · 05-07-2023, 10:14 AM

has anyone else noticed a extremely high number of runners going first to third on shallow singles it doesnt seem like players speed and baserunning skill has much to do with it i have a player who is 25 in both stats and he keeps advancing to third on singles against multiple teams. I dont have any numbers to back this up because idk how to even track it but its literally almost every time someone gets a hit with someone on first.

Pelican · 05-07-2023, 12:05 PM

With two outs, and the added jump, many runners - even slow ones - will make it. But, that should not happen with less than two outs, slow runner, playable single, unless it’s a hit and run play. Are you getting the pop-up allowing you to coach the runner, based on the narrative/graphics of the base hit? I generally don’t risk a slow runner advancing with less than two outs, if given the option. [It can be tempting with no outs - because a runner on 3B could score on a sacrifice fly. With one out, I’m happy to have a runner at 2B in scoring position.]

s1murc1 · 05-07-2023, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelican

With two outs, and the added jump, many runners - even slow ones - will make it. But, that should not happen with less than two outs, slow runner, playable single, unless itÂ’s a hit and run play. Are you getting the pop-up allowing you to coach the runner, based on the narrative/graphics of the base hit? I generally donÂ’t risk a slow runner advancing with less than two outs, if given the option. [It can be tempting with no outs - because a runner on 3B could score on a sacrifice fly. With one out, IÂ’m happy to have a runner at 2B in scoring position.]

I'm seeing it with all scenarios. In the last game I played I had it happen twice with the player who has 25 stats on speed and baserunning once there was no outs the other time with one out and it seems to only happen with my players not the cpu which makes me wonder if something is wonky with the defense in my league.the animation if funny when this happens to the ball is normally back in the infield long before he reaches third. and no im getting no prompt its doing it on its own and im not using hit or one when this happens i rarely do with slow players

md40022 · 05-08-2023, 12:36 PM

I will say, what you visibly see isn't always accurate to what is really going on. There have been countless times over the years where I have a man on base, the outfielder will catch a fly ball, and I will then get the baserunning prompt asking if I want to try to advance the runner, "The ball is very deep and so-n-so has an average arm" but the visual of what is actually on the screen is the ball is very shallow. And that is just an example. Other times it will say that the ball is very shallow, yet the outfielder appears to have caught it on the warning track lol.

I know the runner going 1st to 3rd on a base hit is a different scenario, but one thing I have learned is not to trust how shallow or how deep the ball appears to visually be. It's been like that since I've been playing the game many years back. Just kind of learned to live with it. What looks like a shallow single will sometimes clear the bases and knock in 3 runs. The visual doesn't always accurately depict what's going on. My assumption in your case is the "shallow single" that you are seeing is actually deeper than what you're seeing, deep enough that the CPU decides to advance the runner an extra base, and he occassionally gets thrown out.

Pelican · 05-09-2023, 11:47 AM

Agree with this. Go with the text 100% and not the graphics. True that they are not always compatible, and the graphics can thus be misleading. And this is true both as to the depth of the hit, the position of the fielder, and the motion of the runner. One thing the graphics get right is that, more often than not, a long throw is off line. As IRL, the throw may actually get there before the runner, but not on the base, so the runner is safe. As my coach would say, “if it takes a perfect throw to catch you, it was not wrong to send you…”

05-07-2023, 10:14 AM	#1
s1murc1 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2022 Posts: 34	runners going first to third has anyone else noticed a extremely high number of runners going first to third on shallow singles it doesnt seem like players speed and baserunning skill has much to do with it i have a player who is 25 in both stats and he keeps advancing to third on singles against multiple teams. I dont have any numbers to back this up because idk how to even track it but its literally almost every time someone gets a hit with someone on first.

05-07-2023, 12:05 PM	#2
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,801 Blog Entries: 1	With two outs, and the added jump, many runners - even slow ones - will make it. But, that should not happen with less than two outs, slow runner, playable single, unless it’s a hit and run play. Are you getting the pop-up allowing you to coach the runner, based on the narrative/graphics of the base hit? I generally don’t risk a slow runner advancing with less than two outs, if given the option. [It can be tempting with no outs - because a runner on 3B could score on a sacrifice fly. With one out, I’m happy to have a runner at 2B in scoring position.] __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”

05-08-2023, 12:36 PM	#4
md40022 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 740 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	I will say, what you visibly see isn't always accurate to what is really going on. There have been countless times over the years where I have a man on base, the outfielder will catch a fly ball, and I will then get the baserunning prompt asking if I want to try to advance the runner, "The ball is very deep and so-n-so has an average arm" but the visual of what is actually on the screen is the ball is very shallow. And that is just an example. Other times it will say that the ball is very shallow, yet the outfielder appears to have caught it on the warning track lol. I know the runner going 1st to 3rd on a base hit is a different scenario, but one thing I have learned is not to trust how shallow or how deep the ball appears to visually be. It's been like that since I've been playing the game many years back. Just kind of learned to live with it. What looks like a shallow single will sometimes clear the bases and knock in 3 runs. The visual doesn't always accurately depict what's going on. My assumption in your case is the "shallow single" that you are seeing is actually deeper than what you're seeing, deep enough that the CPU decides to advance the runner an extra base, and he occassionally gets thrown out. Last edited by md40022; 05-08-2023 at 12:40 PM.

05-09-2023, 11:47 AM	#5
Pelican Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: Wilmington, Delaware Posts: 2,801 Blog Entries: 1	Agree with this. Go with the text 100% and not the graphics. True that they are not always compatible, and the graphics can thus be misleading. And this is true both as to the depth of the hit, the position of the fielder, and the motion of the runner. One thing the graphics get right is that, more often than not, a long throw is off line. As IRL, the throw may actually get there before the runner, but not on the base, so the runner is safe. As my coach would say, “if it takes a perfect throw to catch you, it was not wrong to send you…” __________________ Pelican OOTP 2020-? ”Hard to believe, Harry.”