Two 1933 Josh Gibson profiles - how do I import the good one??

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Hello,

I'm trying to Twitch stream a sim a team of all-time greatest rookies in a 2023 run environment. When I try multiple ways of importing 1933 Josh Gibson (individual, part of a txt file, from main DB, from minor league DB, minor leagues box checked) I get this underpowered Josh Gibson considering his OPS was over 1.100 in 1933 with CON/POW/EYE = 20/45/40

But when I create a 1933 historical sim, change the league to NeL and the team to Pittsburgh Crawfords, I find Josh Gibson with CON/POW/EYE = 70/75/50. It is this "good" 1933 Gibson that I want to import into 2023 and other seasons.

I know I can go into Editor and copy the attributes of the "good" 1933 Gibson and create him in 2023, but would much rather import the "good" 1933 Gibson, especially since that would also capture any attributes hidden in Editor.

Would you please teach me how I can import the "good" 1933 Josh Gibson instead of the underpowered one?



NOTE: I have screenshots of the two Gibsons I can send you. It doesn't seem like I can add pics to this post without somehow having URLs for my screenshots.

[luckymann]

Questions as answers:

1. What version are you using?
2. What ID are you trying to import him with?

...and, for my own personal interest...

3. Why are you trying to import 1933 Josh when his rookie year was 1930?

You can add the screenshots as attachments using the paperclip icon.

G

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Hi Luckymann,

THanks to dontcutthedblockdragon we've been reading some of your posts when we thought we might have to recreate some NeL profiles in 2023. Thanks for sharing your great work and insights with the community.

To answer your questions:
1) we're doing sims in OOTP25
2) we used both gibson002jos (historical minors ID) and gibsojo99 (historical & BBref ID)

We've tried all sorts of combinations of setting including with and without full history, with and without minor leagues, using historical_database and historical_minor_database, individual import and text file for multiple entries, with and without "import player(s) in minor league databases checked.

THe reason we're pulling in his 1933 season stats is because that's what BRef cites as "Rookie Status: Exceeded rookie limits during 1933 season"

This BRef field was chosen for consistency, coverage, and accessibility. It's also why Jackie Robinson's 1945 season with the KC Monarchs will be used instead of 1947 when he won the MLB ROY award

EDIT: THanks for pointint out the paper clip icon. Somehow I'd missed that and only seen the icon for adding an image as a link.

[Matt Arnold]

Importing individual players unfortunately won't pull in correctly in those setups. You can simply copy over the editor ratings and that should produce the results you need.

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Thanks to luckymann I can post the screeshots now

WHAT WE WANT: The one with all the blue is the one we found by starting a 1933 sim and switching leagues to NeL. THis is the Josh Gibson we would like to import into 2023 (and other seasons)

WHAT WE'RE GETTING: THe one with all the orange and red is what we get from our various iterations importing gibson002jos (historical minors ID) and gibsojo99 (historical & BBref ID) into the 2023 season.

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Originally Posted by Matt Arnold

Importing individual players unfortunately won't pull in correctly in those setups. You can simply copy over the editor ratings and that should produce the results you need.

Thank you Matt. Anticipating that might be the answer, we took screenshots of all the Editor screens of the NeL players. We'll do the same for Jackie Robinson's 1945 KC Monarchs season.

Two follow-up questions:

1) Is there a reason IMPORTING won't work for 1933 Josh Gibson but did appear to work for 1924 Bill Foster and 1927 Satchel Paige once we included minor league history in our 2023 sim?

2) Once we create the 1933 Josh Gibson and 1945 Jackie Robinson in the 2023 run environment, is there a way to export those newly created players to file so we can import them into future sims? Or do we have to do an Editor creation in every future sim?

Thanks again!

[luckymann]

I haven't imported Josh into 25 as yet but the info you are using is correct, with regard to the IDs you list.

The only thing I can think of that might be causing this is the adjust / weaken setting being too high.

However, given Matt's comment this might not be the case and his way might be the only way.

G

[LansdowneSt]

It's been that way for some time (the individual imports not working). See post 12.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=343368

[OutS|der]

I've always found individual imports to be a crapshot. I've never been happy with an import and always had to made changes.
I've tried every combo of settings I could imagine and have never settled on any settings that actually work.

I assume there is a difference in how ratings are calculated based on importing players vs seasons

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Thanks everyone!

And if I create the "right" Josh Gibson in 2023, is there a way to export him to file so I can use him in other sims without re-entering all the info in Editor every time?

[LansdowneSt]

Originally Posted by FranchiseTimeMachine

Thanks everyone!

And if I create the "right" Josh Gibson in 2023, is there a way to export him to file so I can use him in other sims without re-entering all the info in Editor every time?

I'd love to be wrong, but I can't think of a way to do this.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by FranchiseTimeMachine

Thanks everyone!

And if I create the "right" Josh Gibson in 2023, is there a way to export him to file so I can use him in other sims without re-entering all the info in Editor every time?

Two ways and it depends on how many players you want to do this to and how lazy you are.

The lazy way is to save the whole league he's in as a template. Delete everyone and everything else and import into new game.
This is only ideal if importing a massive number of players.

Otherwise export the rosters as a .csv file find Josh with the ratings you want and copy or save all his info. Then in the new game, import Josh and edit him with exporting and importing the rosters.
This way you can easier edit multiple players with copy/paste.

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

Two ways and it depends on how many players you want to do this to and how lazy you are.

The lazy way is to save the whole league he's in as a template. Delete everyone and everything else and import into new game.
This is only ideal if importing a massive number of players.

Otherwise export the rosters as a .csv file find Josh with the ratings you want and copy or save all his info. Then in the new game, import Josh and edit him with exporting and importing the rosters.
This way you can easier edit multiple players with copy/paste.

Thanks, Outsider, I've never exported rosters but it sounds interstig to try. I might try this method for the next streamed experiment where I'd be manually entering data for more than a few players.

I'm also hoping the need to do this will go away in OOTP26 when NeL starts are integrated with MLB stats

[FranchiseTimeMachine]

In case anyone was interested, 1933 Josh Gibson did not disappoint during last night's Twitch stream as part of the All-Time Great Rookie Seasons team playing in 2023.

2023 slash line: 347 / 403 / 724 OPS 1.127
1933 actual: 395 / 442 / 744 OPS 1.186

This was based replacing his weak 2023 import ratings in Editor with the 1933 ratings we found by starting a 1933 sim and going into NeL -> Pittsburgh Crawfords.