64-Team Super League Idea: Will This Work?

AZTarHeel · 05-24-2024, 01:49 AM

Want to do a large North Carolina state association and have a few questions. Would appreciate some help!

My idea:
* Have 64 teams total. Divide them into four separate 16-team leagues based on market size.

The "Class A" league will feature the largest market teams like the Durham Bulls, Raleigh Capitals & Charlotte Knights. The Class B & C leagues will have smaller market teams like the Reidsville Luckies, Holly Springs Salamanders and Goldsboro Goldbugs, while the Class D league will have the tiny market squads like the Elkin Blanketeers, Landis Spinners and the Snow Hill Billies.

I will have financials on with each team's budget based around their market size. Maybe $5-10 million budget for the biggest squads. Something like $250-$500K for the smaller teams (still need to work that out)

QUESTION 1: Is it possible to draw players for all four leagues from the same pool? I'd let to set up single draft with all 64 teams each year (with a lottery system benefitting the worst teams from each level). I don't mind manually entering the draft order if it comes to that ... Obviously the small market teams can't keep the superstars long-term but it would be neat to see them draft budding superstars and keep their rights for 4-5 years before they get snapped up by the big teams...

QUESTION 2: Can I -- and how do I -- set it up so that 75-80 percent of the players come from North Carolina, with about 10-15 percent from surrounding states and maybe the last 5 coming from anywhere and everywhere around the US and world?

Lastly, I want each of the four leagues to crown their own champion after a 120-game regular season. But after that I want to have a Super Tournament where all 64 teams compete for the true state title. Even if I have to seed and draw up the brackets manually I don't mind. I envision an Indiana high school basketball type format -- 64 teams. SINGLE ELIMINATION until the semifinals and then best of 3 for the last two rounds. Can the Snow Hill Billies win it all?!?!?

QUESTION 3: Is it possible to have two layers of playoffs like this - each league having their own playoffs and then the super tournament?

Hope this makes sense. Thanks for any help folks can provide.

snepp · 05-24-2024, 04:04 AM

I think you'd be able to accomplish (most?) of what you want to do by enabling the associations feature.

I'm not sure exactly how the association playoffs work though, I've never used them.

If doing a shared draft you'd want to disable draft pick signing, the tiny teams would be drafting players they could never afford. I would also disable pick trading and free agent compensation, they both caused me issues in v24.

Wouldn't take you very long to set up a scale model of your league for testing, make four 4-team leagues with no minors, a 3 game regular season schedule, then see what happens. Sim times would be super quick.

Baconi · 05-24-2024, 12:41 PM

For 1 and 3 - yes, you should be able to accomplish this using the associations feature. For 2 - theoretically this is possible but honestly it would end up being a bit of a headache to set up. If you set your league's region to North Carolina, then you can at least have it so that all of your American players come from North Carolina, and assign the percentages you want to the non-American players from other countries - but if you want certain proportions of NC players to other American players, you'd probably have to use feeder leagues - one feeder league for NC players, one for surrounding states, and one for the rest of the country, and then get the ratios right.

ZepTepi · 05-30-2024, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AZTarHeel

Want to do a large North Carolina state association and have a few questions. Would appreciate some help!

My idea:
* Have 64 teams total. Divide them into four separate 16-team leagues based on market size.

The "Class A" league will feature the largest market teams like the Durham Bulls, Raleigh Capitals & Charlotte Knights. The Class B & C leagues will have smaller market teams like the Reidsville Luckies, Holly Springs Salamanders and Goldsboro Goldbugs, while the Class D league will have the tiny market squads like the Elkin Blanketeers, Landis Spinners and the Snow Hill Billies.

I will have financials on with each team's budget based around their market size. Maybe $5-10 million budget for the biggest squads. Something like $250-$500K for the smaller teams (still need to work that out)

QUESTION 1: Is it possible to draw players for all four leagues from the same pool? I'd let to set up single draft with all 64 teams each year (with a lottery system benefitting the worst teams from each level). I don't mind manually entering the draft order if it comes to that ... Obviously the small market teams can't keep the superstars long-term but it would be neat to see them draft budding superstars and keep their rights for 4-5 years before they get snapped up by the big teams...

QUESTION 2: Can I -- and how do I -- set it up so that 75-80 percent of the players come from North Carolina, with about 10-15 percent from surrounding states and maybe the last 5 coming from anywhere and everywhere around the US and world?

Lastly, I want each of the four leagues to crown their own champion after a 120-game regular season. But after that I want to have a Super Tournament where all 64 teams compete for the true state title. Even if I have to seed and draw up the brackets manually I don't mind. I envision an Indiana high school basketball type format -- 64 teams. SINGLE ELIMINATION until the semifinals and then best of 3 for the last two rounds. Can the Snow Hill Billies win it all?!?!?

QUESTION 3: Is it possible to have two layers of playoffs like this - each league having their own playoffs and then the super tournament?

Hope this makes sense. Thanks for any help folks can provide.

I had hoped to see more responses to your OP as I began a similar save with a California based league and began it as a small 16 team startup league with the hope of growing it to something much bigger over time though my aspirations for it weren't on as grand a scale as yours but now I'm considering some things you've mentioned so thanks for the inspiration! So far I'm in the 12th year and expanded to 20 teams a couple of years ago.

StLee · 05-30-2024, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Baconi

For 1 and 3 - yes, you should be able to accomplish this using the associations feature. For 2 - theoretically this is possible but honestly it would end up being a bit of a headache to set up. If you set your league's region to North Carolina, then you can at least have it so that all of your American players come from North Carolina, and assign the percentages you want to the non-American players from other countries - but if you want certain proportions of NC players to other American players, you'd probably have to use feeder leagues - one feeder league for NC players, one for surrounding states, and one for the rest of the country, and then get the ratios right.

I have created super leagues before. However, they were not set up in OOTP 25. Still, I think Baconi got this right.

Have lots of teams in the NC feeder and fewer teams in the general USA feeder. Allowing international players to generate could delete the need for a feeder league for international players, but I am not sure if that would be accomplished in the draft or the general international discoveries and free agency.

For the playoffs and common draft, create a league association.

eriqjaffe · 05-30-2024, 05:40 PM

One thing to note with the "Super Tournament" is that the record-keeping OOTP does for association playoffs is minimal at best.

fredbeene · 05-30-2024, 11:18 PM

interesting. but do you want all other leagues running in background?
i assume this is fictional.
being fictional, seems like would always have enough players?

AZTarHeel · 05-30-2024, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ZepTepi

I had hoped to see more responses to your OP as I began a similar save with a California based league and began it as a small 16 team startup league with the hope of growing it to something much bigger over time though my aspirations for it weren't on as grand a scale as yours but now I'm considering some things you've mentioned so thanks for the inspiration! So far I'm in the 12th year and expanded to 20 teams a couple of years ago.

Have you posted any updates on your Cali league in the dynasty sections? Always interested in reading about folks who try their hands at state leagues. Good luck with yours!

The idea of setting up this massive world all at once (all 64 teams) sounds daunting. I love having great logos and graphics and am a stickler for that. But I also just want to play! So I might start my league in 1900 and add teams as they actually came on the scene in real life -- eventually getting to my 64-team universe by the '30s or '40s.

I am smitten with the idea of the 64-team, everyone-qualifies playoff after all the various leagues crown their champions. I did some test runs with a scaled down version of this idea. For the most part, the teams with the biggest budgets dominated as you might expect. But one season, one of the smallest market teams got hot in the playoff and won the whole thing. It was fun to watch.

AZTarHeel · 05-31-2024, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fredbeene

interesting. but do you want all other leagues running in background?
i assume this is fictional.
being fictional, seems like would always have enough players?

yes, this would be fictional all the way ... and these would be my only leagues -- the destination not just a stop on the way to an MLB franchise

spartacus007 · 06-05-2024, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eriqjaffe

One thing to note with the "Super Tournament" is that the record-keeping OOTP does for association playoffs is minimal at best.

It also credits all the stats to the home team's league. Which drives me nuts.

ZepTepi · 06-05-2024, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AZTarHeel

Have you posted any updates on your Cali league in the dynasty sections? Always interested in reading about folks who try their hands at state leagues. Good luck with yours!

I haven't only because I'm using this save to work out all of the settings that will give me the kind of league I'm hoping to have. Let my mistakes, miscalculations, wrong/bad settings, ect happen in this save so they don't happen in my long term save.

Thank you for the well wishes! Good luck with yours as well.

05-24-2024, 01:49 AM	#1
AZTarHeel All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,682	64-Team Super League Idea: Will This Work? Want to do a large North Carolina state association and have a few questions. Would appreciate some help! My idea: * Have 64 teams total. Divide them into four separate 16-team leagues based on market size. The "Class A" league will feature the largest market teams like the Durham Bulls, Raleigh Capitals & Charlotte Knights. The Class B & C leagues will have smaller market teams like the Reidsville Luckies, Holly Springs Salamanders and Goldsboro Goldbugs, while the Class D league will have the tiny market squads like the Elkin Blanketeers, Landis Spinners and the Snow Hill Billies. I will have financials on with each team's budget based around their market size. Maybe $5-10 million budget for the biggest squads. Something like $250-$500K for the smaller teams (still need to work that out) QUESTION 1: Is it possible to draw players for all four leagues from the same pool? I'd let to set up single draft with all 64 teams each year (with a lottery system benefitting the worst teams from each level). I don't mind manually entering the draft order if it comes to that ... Obviously the small market teams can't keep the superstars long-term but it would be neat to see them draft budding superstars and keep their rights for 4-5 years before they get snapped up by the big teams... QUESTION 2: Can I -- and how do I -- set it up so that 75-80 percent of the players come from North Carolina, with about 10-15 percent from surrounding states and maybe the last 5 coming from anywhere and everywhere around the US and world? Lastly, I want each of the four leagues to crown their own champion after a 120-game regular season. But after that I want to have a Super Tournament where all 64 teams compete for the true state title. Even if I have to seed and draw up the brackets manually I don't mind. I envision an Indiana high school basketball type format -- 64 teams. SINGLE ELIMINATION until the semifinals and then best of 3 for the last two rounds. Can the Snow Hill Billies win it all?!?!? QUESTION 3: Is it possible to have two layers of playoffs like this - each league having their own playoffs and then the super tournament? Hope this makes sense. Thanks for any help folks can provide. __________________ Current Dynasty Project The Tobacco State League: A Summer With the Red Springs Red Robins From the Way-Back Machine (WAY old dynasty stories): Tale Tales: The Andrew Zarzour Story The Steve Victory Story: Tournament Dreams College Basketball! Baseball In The Tar Heel State: A Fictional Experience The Arizona League: Real Players. Fictional Teams Last edited by AZTarHeel; 05-24-2024 at 01:51 AM.

05-24-2024, 04:04 AM	#2
snepp All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,615	I think you'd be able to accomplish (most?) of what you want to do by enabling the associations feature. I'm not sure exactly how the association playoffs work though, I've never used them. If doing a shared draft you'd want to disable draft pick signing, the tiny teams would be drafting players they could never afford. I would also disable pick trading and free agent compensation, they both caused me issues in v24. Wouldn't take you very long to set up a scale model of your league for testing, make four 4-team leagues with no minors, a 3 game regular season schedule, then see what happens. Sim times would be super quick. Last edited by snepp; 05-24-2024 at 04:08 AM.

05-30-2024, 05:40 PM	#6
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,717	One thing to note with the "Super Tournament" is that the record-keeping OOTP does for association playoffs is minimal at best. __________________

05-24-2024, 12:41 PM	#3
Baconi Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 223	For 1 and 3 - yes, you should be able to accomplish this using the associations feature. For 2 - theoretically this is possible but honestly it would end up being a bit of a headache to set up. If you set your league's region to North Carolina, then you can at least have it so that all of your American players come from North Carolina, and assign the percentages you want to the non-American players from other countries - but if you want certain proportions of NC players to other American players, you'd probably have to use feeder leagues - one feeder league for NC players, one for surrounding states, and one for the rest of the country, and then get the ratios right.

05-30-2024, 11:18 PM	#7
fredbeene All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,654	interesting. but do you want all other leagues running in background? i assume this is fictional. being fictional, seems like would always have enough players?