3rd inning win

[elutz31]

Mike Marshall got credit for a win after pitching the last out in the 3rd and the first out in the 4th . Outside of the all star game I thought you could only get credit for a win if you completed the 5th inning or later with the lead.

[thehitcat]

After the starter is out it's up to the "official scorer" to decide who pitched the best among all the other pitchers on the winning side to award the win. Looks like the system decided that was Marshall.

[Orcin]

It is hard to tell without the line score. Marshall may have been the pitcher of record when the lead changed hands.

[elutz31]

Originally Posted by Orcin

It is hard to tell without the line score. Marshall may have been the pitcher of record when the lead changed hands.

I had a 10 run lead by the time Marshall came in in the 3rd.

According to MLB.com:
A pitcher receives a win when he is the pitcher of record when his team takes the lead for good -- with a couple rare exceptions. First, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five innings (in a traditional game of nine innings or longer) to qualify for the win. If he does not, the official scorer awards the win to the most effective relief pitcher.

There is also a rarely used clause where an official scorer can deem a relief pitcher's appearance "brief and ineffective." (For example, if a reliever relinquished a one-run lead by allowing three runs, but was still in line for a win after his team scored four runs in the following inning -- that may qualify.) If that's the case, the scorer can award the win to a pitcher who followed that "brief and ineffective" pitcher. Which relief pitcher earns the win specifically is also up to the judgment of the official scorer.

I had no idea this even existed. I'm impressed the game picked this up. I thought it may have been an error.

[The_Savage_1]

Originally Posted by elutz31

I had a 10 run lead by the time Marshall came in in the 3rd.

According to MLB.com:
A pitcher receives a win when he is the pitcher of record when his team takes the lead for good -- with a couple rare exceptions. First, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five innings (in a traditional game of nine innings or longer) to qualify for the win. If he does not, the official scorer awards the win to the most effective relief pitcher.

There is also a rarely used clause where an official scorer can deem a relief pitcher's appearance "brief and ineffective." (For example, if a reliever relinquished a one-run lead by allowing three runs, but was still in line for a win after his team scored four runs in the following inning -- that may qualify.) If that's the case, the scorer can award the win to a pitcher who followed that "brief and ineffective" pitcher. Which relief pitcher earns the win specifically is also up to the judgment of the official scorer.

I had no idea this even existed. I'm impressed the game picked this up. I thought it may have been an error.

Well the game may have picked the rule up, bit it would seem their interpretation of the rule might need a bit of work given it appears they deemed Marshall who gave up a run in only 2/3 of an IP more effective than Miller who pitched 2IP with 4k, no hits or walks (maybe it was the 2HBP that dissuaded them haha)

[thehitcat]

Originally Posted by The_Savage_1

Well the game may have picked the rule up, bit it would seem their interpretation of the rule might need a bit of work given it appears they deemed Marshall who gave up a run in only 2/3 of an IP more effective than Miller who pitched 2IP with 4k, no hits or walks (maybe it was the 2HBP that dissuaded them haha)

In this case the rule applied might have been the been the first two sentences "A pitcher receives a win when he is the pitcher of record when his team takes the lead for good -- with a couple rare exceptions. First, a starting pitcher must pitch at least five innings (in a traditional game of nine innings or longer) to qualify for the win."

So since the starter didn't get to 5 the next guy in, Marshall, gets the win because he was the first reliever or pitcher of record while the team had the lead, again since the starter doesn't qualify.

Neat anyway you slice it but I'm glad that the game has this level of detail. It wouldn't be baseball otherwise