2025 NFL Season Thread - Page 32

Cobra Mgr · 12-30-2025, 06:22 PM

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The problem is he's not only bad, but bad by design. Their offseason standard operating procedure handicaps them. When Jerry is gone, his son will probably take over. He has said on multiple occasions that they believe in their process.

I always roll my eyes when he says "we". There is no "we". It is Jerry & the minions who carry out his will or the minutiae he doesn't want to be bothered with. There is no group decision making going on. No meeting of the minds.

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Reid must think they have a shot next year. Worse teams have made big turnarounds in just one year. Hell, almost half of the super bowls feature at least 1 team that didn't make the playoffs the year before.

The biggest mistake dynasties make, IMO is knowing when the reign is ending. They look in the locker room & see the familiar faces that got them their rings & think they are just a piece or 2 away from dominating again. When really they have satisfied, over-priced vets still there thanks more to sentiment & gratitude for past play than their current actual ability.

Chiefs have had a great run. But if they don't want to be past like dynasties of old like the Landry Cowboys or the JJ Cowboys or last decade's Steelers or the 90's Bills, you sell the older assets that might still hold value to teams truly a piece away, you accept the suck, you keep the guys young enough to still be effective for the rebirth in 2-3 seasons, and start from scratch.

Hanging on so you can win 10 games, exit in the 1st round just so you can claim to have kept your winning tradition is short sighted to me. Yes, the goal is to win. But it is the sub-goal. The real ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl. I'll gladly sacrifice a 9-8 wildcard berth & go 2-15 now if it means in 2-3 seasons I've got the framework for a SB champion. The NFL is designed for teams to go up & down. Get on your board & navigate the waves.

pilight · 12-30-2025, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I'll gladly sacrifice a 9-8 wildcard berth & go 2-15 now if it means in 2-3 seasons I've got the framework for a SB champion. The NFL is designed for teams to go up & down. Get on your board & navigate the waves.

Only three teams this century have reached the SB within four years of a three or fewer win season: 2003 Panthers, 2009 Saints, and 2021 Bengals. They were all one-shots who either never returned to the SB or took more than a decade to get back. Dynasties aren't built by losing.

Ragnar · 12-31-2025, 09:11 AM

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Only three teams this century have reached the SB withing four years of a three or fewer win season: 2003 Panthers, 2009 Saints, and 2021 Bengals. They were all one-shots who either never returned to the SB or took more than a decade to get back. Dynasties aren't built by losing.

IMO reached the SB is too high of an expectation. How many became contenders would be a better way to judge. All contenders can't make it to the SB. But all SB teams are contenders. If one doesn't reach the SB, it's just happenstance, because they all can't. It has nothing to do with how few wins they had in the past.

Ragnar · 12-31-2025, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I always roll my eyes when he says "we". There is no "we". It is Jerry & the minions who carry out his will or the minutiae he doesn't want to be bothered with. There is no group decision making going on. No meeting of the minds.

The biggest mistake dynasties make, IMO is knowing when the reign is ending. They look in the locker room & see the familiar faces that got them their rings & think they are just a piece or 2 away from dominating again. When really they have satisfied, over-priced vets still there thanks more to sentiment & gratitude for past play than their current actual ability.

Chiefs have had a great run. But if they don't want to be past like dynasties of old like the Landry Cowboys or the JJ Cowboys or last decade's Steelers or the 90's Bills, you sell the older assets that might still hold value to teams truly a piece away, you accept the suck, you keep the guys young enough to still be effective for the rebirth in 2-3 seasons, and start from scratch.

Hanging on so you can win 10 games, exit in the 1st round just so you can claim to have kept your winning tradition is short sighted to me. Yes, the goal is to win. But it is the sub-goal. The real ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl. I'll gladly sacrifice a 9-8 wildcard berth & go 2-15 now if it means in 2-3 seasons I've got the framework for a SB champion. The NFL is designed for teams to go up & down. Get on your board & navigate the waves.

There is no doubt that going 8-9 or 9-8 is worse for your team than going 4-13. You get rewarded for being bad more than you do for being average.

The mistake the Chiefs front office made was to continue to cut back and expect Mahomes to shoulder the load. At some point it can't be done. The Patriots did it with Brady, and Green Bay with Rodgers. The big difference was Brady had a much better coach/GM. Had he been in GB he wasn't winning 6 SBs.

Cobra Mgr · 12-31-2025, 09:55 AM

Diggs family had a day.........

Trevon released from Cowboys
Stefan faces felony charges

dsvitak · 12-31-2025, 03:23 PM

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That's how you feel today. Then change your mind tomorrow and back again next week and so forth. This season, inconsistency is the only consistency.

In our weekly pick 'em game, one of my buddies picked four wins...and he had won earlier in the year. You have a point.

dsvitak · 12-31-2025, 03:24 PM

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Diggs family had a day.........

Trevon released from Cowboys
Stefan faces felony charges

I initially though they were the same guy...getting released after committing a felony sounds about right...with the cautionary statement about innocent prior to the trial and all that.

Ragnar · 12-31-2025, 05:29 PM

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I initially though they were the same guy...getting released after committing a felony sounds about right...with the cautionary statement about innocent prior to the trial and all that.

You have the two confused. The one that got released was not the one accused of the felony. Stefon, the one that allegedly committed the assault, and adamantly denies it, has not been released, and has the full support of the Patriots.

Who here believes that if the Patriots weren't sitting at the #2 seed, with a chance at the #1, Diggs would be released by now.

Cobra Mgr · 12-31-2025, 07:35 PM

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Who here believes that if the Patriots weren't sitting at the #2 seed, with a chance at the #1, Diggs would be released by now.

monkeyman576 · 01-02-2026, 06:10 PM

4-13 may be better than 8-9 from a roster building standpoint, but not from a team moral and clubhouse standpont. The Jets have been terrible for years but getting good draft picks haven't helped them.

dsvitak · 01-02-2026, 07:44 PM

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4-13 may be better than 8-9 from a roster building standpoint, but not from a team moral and clubhouse standpont. The Jets have been terrible for years but getting good draft picks haven't helped them.

I remember one year when Al Davis of the Raiders INSISTED on drafting JaMarcus Russell...

Edit to add..JaMarcus was just caught stealing $55k from his old high school's football charity fund.

Ragnar · 01-03-2026, 04:55 AM

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4-13 may be better than 8-9 from a roster building standpoint, but not from a team moral and clubhouse standpont. The Jets have been terrible for years but getting good draft picks haven't helped them.

You're right, being losers is a state of mind. That's where the organization comes in. Especially the coach. The Jets are trash. But other teams turn it around. I've said it before, nearly half the super bowls played featured a team that wasn't in the playoffs the year before. When the 49ers played the Bengals the first time, both teams were 6-10 the year before.

Jimmy Johnson said one of the hardest things he had to do is getting his team to not only believe they can win, but believe they should win.

pilight · 01-03-2026, 08:59 AM

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You're right, being losers is a state of mind. That's where the organization comes in. Especially the coach. The Jets are trash. But other teams turn it around. I've said it before, nearly half the super bowls played featured a team that wasn't in the playoffs the year before. When the 49ers played the Bengals the first time, both teams were 6-10 the year before.

Jimmy Johnson said one of the hardest things he had to do is getting his team to not only believe they can win, but believe they should win.

Out of the playoffs, but not at the bottom of the barrel. Teams don't jump from 4 wins to the SB.

Cobra Mgr · 01-03-2026, 12:34 PM

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4-13 may be better than 8-9 from a roster building standpoint, but not from a team moral and clubhouse standpont. The Jets have been terrible for years but getting good draft picks haven't helped them.

You can blame that on the front office. A good front office can use the better picks to make a better team.

dsvitak · 01-03-2026, 01:06 PM

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You can blame that on the front office. A good front office can use the better picks to make a better team.

The St. Louis Rams picked up Orlando Pace, Torry Holt, and Isaac Bruce, then signed Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk.

This became my all-time favorite football team. I saw them score 35 points against the Lions in seven minutes.

Ragnar · 01-03-2026, 05:08 PM

I got 10 bucks on the Panthers because the Bucs have been playing like crap. But it doesn't look good at the moment.

Cobra Mgr · 01-03-2026, 06:27 PM

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I got 10 bucks on the Panthers because the Bucs have been playing like crap. But it doesn't look good at the moment.

If the refs get their way, kiss your $10 goodbye

dsvitak · 01-03-2026, 06:36 PM

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I got 10 bucks on the Panthers because the Bucs have been playing like crap. But it doesn't look good at the moment.

I am a big Baker fan. I think that they will do OK today.

pilight · 01-03-2026, 06:56 PM

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If the refs get their way, kiss your $10 goodbye

That backward pass call was a disaster

Cobra Mgr · 01-03-2026, 07:02 PM

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That backward pass call was a disaster

I don't like being THAT guy. I really hate claiming a conspiracy.

But you look at these plays............

12-31-2025, 09:55 AM	#625
Cobra Mgr Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Parts unknown Posts: 9,083	Diggs family had a day......... Trevon released from Cowboys Stefan faces felony charges __________________ If a man is guilty 4 what goes on inside of his mind, then let me get the electric chair 4 all my future crimes. - Prince Batdance June 7, 1958 - Apr 21, 2016 Don't fall for the spin

01-02-2026, 06:10 PM	#630
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,692	4-13 may be better than 8-9 from a roster building standpoint, but not from a team moral and clubhouse standpont. The Jets have been terrible for years but getting good draft picks haven't helped them. Last edited by monkeyman576; 01-02-2026 at 06:12 PM.

01-03-2026, 05:08 PM	#636
Ragnar Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,565	I got 10 bucks on the Panthers because the Bucs have been playing like crap. But it doesn't look good at the moment.