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1961 The First Time Around
OK, so a quick sidebar. With 1961 being such a seminal season and the improvements the game seems to have made with regard to handling outlier seasons, I have spent most of the past 24 hours testing v24 with the view of "trading up" this save, which is currently sitting on v22.
Long story short, it did not go well. I still believe I'll go through with this transfer - just not now, with so much going on and so many high expectations. Two straight imports, Expansion Drafts and new clubs, arguably the most famous season of all - it is simply asking too much of the game (although from what I have just been through I do believe it should do way better with this process, both with insights as to how to effectuate it and the results from doing so - that discussion, however, is for another time and place). Let's be clear - with this save operating with 3-year recalc / no double-weight applied and, as mentioned, on v22 - we are long odds of seeing anything near the fireworks of 1961 IRL. Still, I'm stoked to have Maris on our ballclub to watch him at close quarters. AL CHAMPIONS: New York Yankees (109-53) NL CHAMPIONS: Cincinnati Reds (93-61) WORLD SERIES: Yankees 4, Reds 1 Pittsburgh Pirates: 75-79, 6th in NL AL MVP: Roger Maris (Yankees) NL MVP: Frank Robinson (Reds) AL CYA: Whitey Ford (Yankees) NL CYA: not given AL RoY: Don Schwall (Red Sox) NL RoY: Billy Williams (Cubs) Top Ten Lists (courtesy of thisgreatgame.com) NL Hitters 1. FRANK ROBINSON, CINCINNATI
AL Hitters 1. MICKEY MANTLE, NEW YORK
NL Pitchers 1. WARREN SPAHN, MILWAUKEE
AL Pitchers 1. WHITEY FORD, NEW YORK
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OOTP has Freese listed as being born in Wheeling Illinois. He was born in Wheeling West Virginia. Apparently OOTP doesn't know about Wheeling West Virginia as it does the same thing with Mazeroski.
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Nice pickup - have fixed both. You noted this in the bug forum? How odd to have two guys on the same club and for the game to have both of them listed incorrectly.
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I noticed it on Maz a long time ago. Don't know why it popped out at me on Freese. I haven't reported it anywhere.
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1961 Preseason / Spring Training
A fairly low-key offseason indeed, with extensions and returns to former clubs seemingly the name of the game. The Twins are unusually prominent – amazing what a change of scenery can do for a club – and make Larry Jackson the league’s highest earner. One club stalwart who is moved on is Robin Roberts, who heads to Beantown. Bob Trowbridge, acquired by Cincy in a trade with the O’s, is attacked by a mugger and will miss pretty much the entire season. And a nice bit of serendipity as, in what could well be his final season, Jackie Robinson ends back in Kansas City.
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A 9-9 ST that is uneventful other than another injury to George Brunet. We get cheeky and defer our decision on what to do with him by putting him on the 60-day. ALL TRANSACTIONS The BNN boffins see a tight Yankees win and an easy Giants one, with us mid-table and not very competitive. No sign of Maris in the leaderboards but Killer Killebrew is tipped to hit 50 HR. FULL PRESEASON PREDICTIONS ![]() ![]()
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The View from the Gangplank Opening Day, 1961
A reminder that our team page can be accessed HERE.
A few new faces but, at its core, the squad is virtually the same. We are weak at the corner IF slots, no doubt about that, but I like the look of this group all the same. O'Connell makes his return, Bridges starts the season at AAA. Mudcat Grant gets first dibs on the SP5 slot, but it is a tenuous grasp. Gibbon comes up and takes over the poisoned chalice of being our Stopper. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I think we'll be a bit more of a feature in calculations than the prognosticators do, but not sure we are the Giants' match this year - they look mighty strong.
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Cutlass Club Update
So we are making good inroads in this endeavour, with 11 ineligible players - 5 pitchers and 6 hitters still on our AR.
![]() ![]() At this point, the longer-term plan involves keeping Felipe Alou as one of our 3 ringers and having he, his brother and Arriba man the OF. Patata will stay as the other ringer and we'll deploy the third as we see fit once the roster has been brought 100% into line.
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I have done so.
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Frego, Si!
A first for the neophyte LA Angels as their main man Jim Fregosi records the club's first 5-hit game in a win over Boston. History, folks!
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Hoyt Will Helm the Record
After earlier passing Bill Sayles as the all-time leader, Hoyt Wilhelm becomes the first player with 200 career Saves.
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The View from the Gangplank June 1, 1961
It’s funny how the timing of these recaps so heavily dictates their tone. Were I to be writing this at some totally arbitrary point in late-April with us at 5-6, it would have reeked with the incredulity of how poorly our pitching had started the season; if written a month later it would it have resounded with the ring of ebullience forged by an 11-game win streak that had moved us to the top of the standings at 17-8. Here at this traditional May-June abutment, however, with us having almost literally split wins and losses for the rest of the sectional, it has a sort of confused vibe to it as I feel like we have learned next to nothing about our group over the first 44 games, at the end of which we sit at 24-20.
![]() ![]() Given our dire lack of run production and the generally middling look of those metrics, it can be argued that this opening stanza has indeed been a Pyrrhic victory for us, with a bunch of apparent improvement in the group and our relative proximity to the top of the standings. And yet, we are certainly not playing well and need to start manifesting some of that rumoured upside quick smart or risk being dropped off. ![]() Blanchard has been the driving force here, with Freese also proving a most useful addition and Maris chiming in albeit without the hoped-for power surge. On the counterpoint, however, the rest have been pretty flat indeed - Clemente being the most noticeable. Walls' excellent performance vs Rodgers' poor one is putting pressure on the removal or at least flipping of their 3B platoon, although we'll hold steady for now. ![]() Friend has been the only SP to be better than expected, with Pascual and Podres both really struggling early. Patata seems to be on the bounce, but Johnny Pod's last 14 months have not been his best and we really need to see him get things back on track. The BP, with Joe Gibbon in the all-important Stopper role, has been superb to this point and really the main reason we are where we are. Had they been shaky, the many close wins we have had would have been close losses instead. ![]() The Expansion clubs haven't been completely helpless or hopeless, which is how I want it to be throughout this era. Only early days, however, so we'll see how they fare over the rigours of a full season before making any concrete judgment calls in this regard. Monthly Award Winners April American League
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Stat of the Month
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(The Left Arm of) God Has Spoken
Sandy Koufax gives us our first no-no in two full years or near enough to (Ike DeLock's previous one was on 6/30/59), with this gem against archrivals San Francisco.
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Stat Check: SB
![]() All-time leader is Wild Bill Wright with 882.
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Some Sorta Game
Arguably the best - and undoubtedly the most entertaining - of the season so far as the Jints and Braves slug it out over 10 rounds.
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Stat Check: RBI
![]() Sadly, Teddy has been given very little game time this season and is currently sitting on 0 HR and 3 RBI in just 35 AB. His ratings are tanking and, with his defence virtually non-existent, the writing is on the wall that this might be the end for the Splendid Splinter.
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Stigman the Big Man on Campus
A veritable downpour of no-nos with Baltimore's Dick Stigman blanking what is turning out to be a fairly hapless Indians side (his actual IRL club for '60 and '61) in a 3-0 win at Memorial Stadium. The sole walk issued that prevents it being a perfect game doesn't come until the 8th.
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1961 MLB All-Star Game
Five of our boys get the nod, but Blanchard is the only position player among them.
![]() ![]() Henry Aaron wins his maiden HR Derby, beating George Altman 19-15 in the final, and MVP Norm Siebern leads the AL to a 3-1 ASG win.
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Mister Freese
What a nice little pick-up Gene Freese has been for us, leading the group in BA and RBI (as well as SB) and showing more pop than we'd anticipated.
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The View from the Gangplank August 1, 1961
A superb couple months by the lads, as we go a combined 36-16 to wrest the NL lead from the Giants.
![]() ![]() Our +3 Pythag and 24-13 record in one-run and extra-inning games speaks volumes about how tight-knit this group has become and how well they have handled the pressure yet again. ![]() What the group has done becomes even more extraordinary when you look at the seasons three of our main guys - Maz, Arriba and Dick Groat - are having. None have been disastrous by any stretch, but each has suffered a noticeable dip in performance. If we can get them to turn things around and have Maris - who, regardless of which, has been fantastic again - at least accelerate his HR frequency over the remainder, then we have a decent chance of holding off the Giants. ![]() While Pascual and Friend have been solid for the most part, the bottom half of our rotation - which has been vulnerable to fairly severe beatdowns that seem to come in bunches - remains a real concern, in particular the ongoing struggles of Johnny Podres. Countering this, however, has been a simply magnificent performance from the BP, led by Joe Gibbon, who wins both monthly Rookie awards and is actually tied for second at the club with 9 wins and leads both leagues with 17 Saves. ![]() So it looks like the NL race is down to us and San Fran, although I wouldn't 100% rule the Cubs out just yet although they have a huge gap to make up. Plenty of jockeying in the AL sees a big move from the A’s, winning 10 in a row as the Tigers backslide and the two switch places for a while, until the Yanks go on a tear and push past both of them. It goes on like this as if the three have conjoined into a king rat and it looks like this is set to continue to the finish line. The Twins, while close to it, aren't quite out of the race yet. News, Leaders and Top 20s ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Monthly Award Winners June American League
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